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  1. #47101
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    I am proud of the fact that I never, in 25 years with Kaiser, refused to see a patient who came late. A lot of folks have to take multiple buses to get to the doctor, or rely on a friend who doesn't show up, or just have shitty time management or don't give a shit. Doesn't matter. It's always easier to see them and I worry that they'll not come back until it's too late. I do not respect docs who refuse to see late patients; after all we're late more than they are.

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    This. There were hundreds up my arm too



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    Teams sucks. Half the time my phone won't open it and I have to scramble to get my laptop on WiFi to join a meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    This. There were hundreds up my arm too



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    Be glad you're not a dog. Or the person who has to get those out of a dog.

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    I have probably an even dozen teams accounts (internal and customer/partner accounts) and each and every time I have to force logout of all accounts (phone, laptop, etc) in order to switch to a different one.

    I dont even pretend to try to make teams work on my phone, just use the dial in info and come in as a guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    The correct response would have been: "You guys use teams? Thanks, but I'm no longer interested. Call me when you switch to zoom."
    I really should! I just found out I'm getting scoped out on LinkedIn by several members of their team, so I must not have totally bombed the interview, BUT if I end up getting some offers (I'm in talks with 3 different companies right now), I am totally using that line! Haha. "Thank you, but I've accepted another offer with an organization that uses Zoom instead."

    Quote Originally Posted by gravitylover View Post
    Teams sucks. Half the time my phone won't open it and I have to scramble to get my laptop on WiFi to join a meeting.
    100%! And it always does it at THE worst times!!! Have a critical meeting (like say a JOB INTERVIEW?!) and THAT'S when it decides to crap the bed or glitch out. No matter how many dry runs you practiced where it ran fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by mc_roon View Post
    I have probably an even dozen teams accounts (internal and customer/partner accounts) and each and every time I have to force logout of all accounts (phone, laptop, etc) in order to switch to a different one.

    I dont even pretend to try to make teams work on my phone, just use the dial in info and come in as a guest
    Ohhhhh! Perhaps THAT was why it got so confused. I'll make sure to do that next time. What a POS, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Be glad you're not a dog. Or the person who has to get those out of a dog.
    Now that I have a poodle, I've come to realize why they're not the best for upland game bird duty. Dog is practically velcro with burrs. Whereas my old GSP mixes (especially the Weim mutt), the burrs would just slide right off! Now I have to bring the dogs brush with me. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    I really should! I just found out I'm getting scoped out on LinkedIn by several members of their team, so I must not have totally bombed the interview, BUT if I end up getting some offers (I'm in talks with 3 different companies right now), I am totally using that line! Haha. "Thank you, but I've accepted another offer with an organization that uses Zoom instead."


    100%! And it always does it at THE worst times!!! Have a critical meeting (like say a JOB INTERVIEW?!) and THAT'S when it decides to crap the bed or glitch out. No matter how many dry runs you practiced where it ran fine.


    Ohhhhh! Perhaps THAT was why it got so confused. I'll make sure to do that next time. What a POS, huh?
    what are you guys doing to have such a hard time with Teams? Runs fine in my office, at home, and on my cellphone in the ski area parking lot. Been working fine over 3 years with 5+ meetings/screenshares a day happening. And believe me, im no tech wizard.

  9. #47109
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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    what are you guys doing to have such a hard time with Teams? Runs fine in my office, at home, and on my cellphone in the ski area parking lot. Been working fine over 3 years with 5+ meetings/screenshares a day happening. And believe me, im no tech wizard.
    Do you use teams externally or only with folks in your same company?

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    what are you guys doing to have such a hard time with Teams? Runs fine in my office, at home, and on my cellphone in the ski area parking lot. Been working fine over 3 years with 5+ meetings/screenshares a day happening. And believe me, im no tech wizard.
    Well good for you, but you're definitely the outlier on this one. Back when it was Skype, it wasn't half bad. And then it became "Teams" it was still ok(ish), but it's been getting increasingly buggier over the years it seems. But even when it's at its best, its video/audio quality is still complete ass compared to the competition. I have a great HD external webcam and a good mic (Blue Yeti), and Teams just can't hang... on both ends. It's blurry and muffled. Probably due to compression algorithms. Zoom isn't without its flaws, but at least the video is crystal clear for me and audio quality far superior.

    I've heard Teams is sometimes preferable for internal meetings and Zoom's better for external ones. Perhaps that's the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Well good for you, but you're definitely the outlier on this one.
    I'm not sure he's an outlier, since usually people that don't have issues don't say much. I, also, have no issues with Teams at our company, so perhaps it's an implementation issue as much as a software issue?

    Back when it was Skype, it wasn't half bad. And then it became "Teams" it was still ok(ish), but it's been getting increasingly buggier over the years it seems. But even when it's at its best, its video/audio quality is still complete ass compared to the competition. I have a great HD external webcam and a good mic (Blue Yeti), and Teams just can't hang... on both ends. It's blurry and muffled. Probably due to compression algorithms. Zoom isn't without its flaws, but at least the video is crystal clear for me and audio quality far superior.

    I've heard Teams is sometimes preferable for internal meetings and Zoom's better for external ones. Perhaps that's the case.
    Again, no issues really to speak of with audio or video with Teams, but I don't have issues with Zoom either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser4 View Post
    Do you use teams externally or only with folks in your same company?
    We use Teams both internally and externally. A number of our vendors and customers also use Zoom, so depending on which org creates a meeting, we use them both...

  13. #47113
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    Might just be related to how often you use it. I rarely use Teams and when I do it sucks, but when I worked at a company that was on Teams and used it every day, it was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Well good for you, but you're definitely the outlier on this one. Back when it was Skype, it wasn't half bad. And then it became "Teams" it was still ok(ish), but it's been getting increasingly buggier over the years it seems. But even when it's at its best, its video/audio quality is still complete ass compared to the competition. I have a great HD external webcam and a good mic (Blue Yeti), and Teams just can't hang... on both ends. It's blurry and muffled. Probably due to compression algorithms. Zoom isn't without its flaws, but at least the video is crystal clear for me and audio quality far superior.

    I've heard Teams is sometimes preferable for internal meetings and Zoom's better for external ones. Perhaps that's the case.
    Ya, audio and video quality on WebEx and Zoom have always been much better than Teams in my experience. I find Teams likes to drop my session a lot if I'm screen sharing. Haven't had that issue with Zoom. But we are only allowed to use that if an external vendor or customer is hosting the meeting. And then only allowed to use Zoom in the browser. The Zoom windows app is strictly forbidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    We use Teams both internally and externally. A number of our vendors and customers also use Zoom, so depending on which org creates a meeting, we use them both...
    my organization uses Teams and I have had no issues, using it internally and externally. Have also used zoom or google meet (clients often use them) and they also seem to work fine.
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    What do you guys mean by "internally and externally?"

    I use it as an internal user and as an invited "guest" user (with various rights) and the major problems always show up as a guest. The internal users I'm trying to communicate with have to be reminded constantly that Teams is screwing up statuses and holding onto messages for days.

    Only issue using a company account is the usual MS "updates" that make things worse more often than not. This kind of technology was working much better and more reliably 15 years ago from numerous vendors (ICQ, Citrix, webex, Google, Skype...) Microsoft is the kook in this space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser4 View Post
    Do you use teams externally or only with folks in your same company?
    We use Teams exclusively internally and i am constantly calling, IM'ing and screensharing with my folks.

    I use Teams externally whenever i am the one sending out the invitations- so usually 1-3 external Teams meetings per day with clients on the private and public side. I also am on Teams, Zoom, go-to-meeting, and webex meetings on a weekly basis that others set up. Never really had much of an issue with any of them except after major internal IT updates that wiped my personal info so i had to relogin to those applications the first time back. I honestly cannot remember the last time we had an issue with Teams... hell, all of microsoft crashed the other week but Teams managed to be fully functional throughout.

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    By "externally" I mean sending invites to people outside of my organization who may or may not have Teams installed on their machine.
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    "everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy

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    You guys need to schedule a Teams meeting so you can all bitch about it more efficiently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    You guys need to schedule a Teams meeting so you can all bitch about it more efficiently.
    Efficient? No, that would be a Zoom meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    I prefer zoom, but I use teams all day long internally and externally too, and it’s fine.

    I do, however, judge interview candidates who can’t figure it the fuck out.

    PEBKAC.
    I laffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post

    I do, however, judge interview candidates who can’t figure it the fuck out.

    PEBKAC.
    Really though. You better blow me away to overcome not figuring out how to log into a Teams meeting, and then having to let your cat out of the room mid meeting. JFC, that's doing NONE of the baseline easy stuff well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    I prefer zoom, but I use teams all day long internally and externally too, and it’s fine.

    I do, however, judge interview candidates who can’t figure it the fuck out.

    PEBKAC.
    That's fair. Figure it out ahead of time or what does that say about you.

    My kids will be well prepared as they have been using Teams for high school classes since Covid. I think the pandemic benefited them as high schoolers entering a virtual work world. And the schools have stuck with it since then for certain things. In a way it benefited schools and teachers to be forced into virtual learning. Now it's just another tool. But if not for Covid they would still be dragging their feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    By "externally" I mean sending invites to people outside of my organization who may or may not have Teams installed on their machine.
    There's a difference between the experience you're having when someone else is an external user and what they experience. I don't have problems with it as a team member, either.

    As a guest, it's reliably a mess for anything but screen sharing. I've been speculating that the days-old message issue correlates with internal users adding extra devices and not getting all their notifications anymore, but I'm not adding mobile just to test the theory. On the upside, I'm not close enough to test it on theirs.

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    Private equity annoys me.

    I got a bit of equity in my last company as a retention bonus when we were acquired by a PE firm some years ago. As PE firms do they leveraged the shit out of the deal and funded it with debt. The company got saddled with the interest payments on the debt. In addition the PE firm took massive management fees out of the company while making monumentally stupid strategic decisions. These things perpetually wiped out profits. As a result no staff received bonuses after the acquisition because they were tied to profitability.

    Just got an email from the company: "After a comprehensive strategic review and company's pending debt maturity, sale of the company was finalized on July 31. Due to a combination of company's debt balance and a pullback of sector valuations, transaction proceeds are below the value of the debt. The lender was supportive of the transaction, but unfortunately there are no equity proceeds."

    Another great company ruined by private equity

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