Shit that annoys you

[Flounder]

In the last 2 years I’ve hired 4 Gen Z’s. Three of the 4 are absolute rock stars. They crank through work and are always looking to do more. The 4th is ok but not super motivated. 75% as high producers beats the Gen Xrs and Millennials I previously had. Of those 4, one drank himself to death during Covid, one left for a promotion to an easier job, and 2 left when I told them to get their shit together and do some fucking work.

The only “weird” thing about the Gen Z employees is none of the 4 ever use he/she pronouns, only they.

[Mofro261]

life is what you make of it

Can't escape it. Celebrate it.

[riser4]

is


it is the candy jar. have two, they’re calorie free.


fact.

Mmmmm, pills. Don't mind if I do. Got Narcan? 'Cause they're obviously counterfeit with the fent if you're leaving em out.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Unicorn, I think you are in medical...hospital something?

Do you think your life track exists today? How is it different?

Think your public education, cost of higher education, ability to pay what bills you had in your 20s and so on.

I get what you are saying about consumerism and all. But I live somewhere that you'd be hard pressed to spend money on a night out.

On balance I think that's a bit of a ruse. Perhaps the pressure and ways to waste money is greater.

Think about it like this. They want what we got. How would you coach them to get their. Because if you did it how I did it, I think you probably be fucked. You be swimming in your school loans, would have never been able to buy a house at 30 and all that fucking off you did would have a really high price.

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I’m in healthcare. I got my training in the military, so no loans. I do think that track exists if you want it. Even though I live in an increasingly expensive area, I live modestly. I don’t travel a lot, don’t buy a lot of stuff and my only debt is my mortgage. I make decent money but probably less than most people here.

Every time that I’ve been presented an opportunity to make more money I’ve usually passed. I’ve bitten twice, once as a vendor rep and once as a project manager for a robotic surgery program. Both of those jobs required a significant increase in work hours in relationship to the pay increase. I’ve realized that the most valuable commodity in life is time, specifically my free time. You will never get more free time, or time at all in life. If you look at it objectively, statistically you have a set amount of time here. I want to do what I want to do with that time. I’ve found a balance that works for me, everyone should consider this.

I do think that how I chose to live my life is still attainable for young people. People need to figure out what they want and how to manage that AND their expectations for life.


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[m2711c]

The military option is definitely still available. It worked for me too. Folks don’t seem to be interested in taking that option, though. Every year we got a new crew of kids working seasonal here on the canal. These are kids that would really benefit from taking the military route as they have absolutely no other options available to them. but try as i might, i have yet to be able to convince one of them to sign up. these are kids that have come from shit, did terrible in school and have no viable prospects for the future in this area. just the kind of people that the military can really help move up the ladder.

I couldn’t even talk them into doubling up on their pension by doing the reserves in addition to working here at the Canal. Fuck, they would be able to retire rich as shit by 55 with that sweet twin pension set.


they just don’t seem to Understand how to help themselves.

[plugboots]

they just don’t seem to Understand how to help themselves.

Tale as old as time. I was on vacation with a bunch of folks older than me! (in their 70s), and they were complaining about social media and the kids today… and blah blah blah blah blah, and I got so tired of it. I blurted out that people have been complaining about this since caveman days. Everybody kind of stared at me.
I had an early experience with this in high school when I did landscaping to pay for college, and I brought at least five friends that were hired on to try to work, and they would quit after a day or two. It wasn’t even that hard, it’s like raking and shoveling and digging holes and mowing lawns.
Oh yeah, I guess it was hard work .

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Tale as old as time. I was on vacation with a bunch of folks older than me! (in their 70s), and they were complaining about social media and the kids today… and blah blah blah blah blah, and I got so tired of it. I blurted out that people have been complaining about this since caveman days. Everybody kind of stared at me.
I had an early experience with this in high school when I did landscaping to pay for college, and I brought at least five friends that were hired on to try to work, and they would quit after a day or two. It wasn’t even that hard, it’s like raking and shoveling and digging holes and mowing lawns.
Oh yeah, I guess it was hard work .

Old folks have been complaining about social media for a long time? That’s a new one. You can’t deny the negative impact that it’s had on younger generations. Think back to when you were young, there was no internet, no one had a home computer for the most part and definitely not a smartphone. The internet and social media is a paradigm shift for how people relate to each other, it’s not even close to “kids today”.


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[old goat]

Friend of mine had her GenZ employee come to her with a paper check, wondering if it was some kind of scam.

[plugboots]

Old folks have been complaining about social media for a long time? That’s a new one. You can’t deny the negative impact that it’s had on younger generations. Think back to when you were young, there was no internet, no one had a home computer for the most part and definitely not a smartphone. The internet and social media is a paradigm shift for how people relate to each other, it’s not even close to “kids today”.


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That’s not exactly what I mean. It’s part of a bigger conversation of just complaining about the newer generation. These folks were complaining about Instagram, TikTok, things that they don’t use or understand.
Yeah, sure the Internet has changed things. I didn’t have smart phones, etc., (obviously). I just don’t think it’s as bad as what everybody claims. I was an early adopter to cell phones. I was an outside rep and I immediately got one and it allowed me to fly fish and ski a shit ton more.
There’s always something new to complain about, things change.
Actually, I think it is them basically saying “kids today”.

[stealurface831]

Basically starting with kids b. 2000-on, the internet played as prominent a role as any other mode of interaction during our most important stages of social development. they way we learned to interact with the world is entirely novel compared to any other generation before us. our brains are literally wired differently. the other thing it did was eliminate boredom in the true sense of the word. with the ability to stimulate ourselves so readily with such myriad media and content, we haven't learned how to be bored and combat boredom because we've never had to. we havent experienced the suffering by which our brain's register boredom. i think that has contributed a ton to the sort of stunted cognitive and emotional growth that some identify in us.

i'm not a great representative of my generation as i'm pretty pessimistic to begin with and also a 22 year old on teh trgz which speaks to numerous social and cognitive deficiencies, but i think i can confidently speak for almost all when i say this: we are scared of our collective future and don't feel we have the means (money) to change it. we are inheriting a dying planet, an unlivable housing market, a bunch of jobs we aren't sure will exist before its time for us to retire at 85, and political and economic systems we feeling increasingly alienated from. instilled in us was this ideal of an american dream and we've come of age to realize it is beleaguered, floundering in a muck of pollutants, algorithms, and corporatization. i'm not sure what we'll do and frankly, i'm not sure that we'll be alright. time will tell.

[plugboots]

Basically starting with kids b. 2000-on, the internet played as prominent a role as any other mode of interaction during our most important stages of social development. they way we learned to interact with the world is entirely novel compared to any other generation before us. our brains are literally wired differently. the other thing it did was eliminate boredom in the true sense of the word. with the ability to stimulate ourselves so readily with such myriad media and content, we haven't learned how to be bored and combat boredom because we've never had to. we havent experienced the suffering by which our brain's register boredom. i think that has contributed a ton to the sort of stunted cognitive and emotional growth that some identify in us.

i'm not a great representative of my generation as i'm pretty pessimistic to begin with and also a 22 year old on teh trgz which speaks to numerous social and cognitive deficiencies, but i think i can confidently speak for almost all when i say this: we are scared of our collective future and don't feel we have the means (money) to change it. we are inheriting a dying planet, an unlivable housing market, a bunch of jobs we aren't sure will exist before its time for us to retire at 85, and political and economic systems we feeling increasingly alienated from. instilled in us was this ideal of an american dream and we've come of age to realize it is beleaguered, floundering in a muck of pollutants, algorithms, and corporatization. i'm not sure what we'll do and frankly, i'm not sure that we'll be alright. time will tell.

Kids in the 60’s were worrying about dying in Vietnam. That was great.


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[stealurface831]

Kids in the 60’s were worrying about dying in Vietnam. That was great.


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weren't you just complaining about people complaining about kids my age?

[halliday]

Basically starting with kids b. 2000-on, the internet played as prominent a role as any other mode of interaction during our most important stages of social development. they way we learned to interact with the world is entirely novel compared to any other generation before us. our brains are literally wired differently. the other thing it did was eliminate boredom in the true sense of the word. with the ability to stimulate ourselves so readily with such myriad media and content, we haven't learned how to be bored and combat boredom because we've never had to. we havent experienced the suffering by which our brain's register boredom. i think that has contributed a ton to the sort of stunted cognitive and emotional growth that some identify in us.

i'm not a great representative of my generation as i'm pretty pessimistic to begin with and also a 22 year old on teh trgz which speaks to numerous social and cognitive deficiencies, but i think i can confidently speak for almost all when i say this: we are scared of our collective future and don't feel we have the means (money) to change it. we are inheriting a dying planet, an unlivable housing market, a bunch of jobs we aren't sure will exist before its time for us to retire at 85, and political and economic systems we feeling increasingly alienated from. instilled in us was this ideal of an american dream and we've come of age to realize it is beleaguered, floundering in a muck of pollutants, algorithms, and corporatization. i'm not sure what we'll do and frankly, i'm not sure that we'll be alright. time will tell.

Your generation is not inheriting a dying planet but a living planet. The caveat is that there are a lot of humans on the planet and the planet has a carrying capacity. The problem is that politics in general is short sighted. It's way bigger than Trump vs Biden, or student loan forgiveness, or what ever might be the sound bight of the day. One main job of the major political parties is to groom the next generation for leadership and that is NOT happening. We need young leaders to be engaged in the political system and not just bitch about what is wrong (Im not saying that you are doing that) but get involved. I think your generations solutions will appear as the boomers and X'ers (my generation) start to fade away.

[Core Shot]

[halliday]

Im flying to Phoenix on Monday and I think a little Joe dirt is going on the play list. Along with a little Smokey and the Bandit.

[Mustonen]

, but i think i can confidently speak for almost all when i say this: we are scared of our collective future and don't feel we have the means (money) to change it. we are inheriting a dying planet, an unlivable housing market, a bunch of jobs we aren't sure will exist before its time for us to retire at 85, and political and economic systems we feeling increasingly alienated from. instilled in us was this ideal of an american dream and we've come of age to realize it is beleaguered, floundering in a muck of pollutants, algorithms, and corporatization. i'm not sure what we'll do and frankly, i'm not sure that we'll be alright. time will tell.

None of that is new or special, it’s just the narrative. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other, maybe, given the topic, but both sides act shocked when neither is sympathetic to the other because some things are shitty and scary for every generation and they don’t always line up but it’s some MJ vs Lebron BS when we try to talk in comparatives.

I’m in between a millennial and Xer and my kids are zoomers and I don’t really fit anywhere, so maybe that gives some perspective or maybe my head just isn’t ALLLLL the way up my own asshole….

….but 90% of the arguments on this topic are idiotic.

[Foggy_Goggles]

The military track does seem like a pretty good option these days. I've got a bunch of friends (friends kids) that have gone or are going this route. I still say the the generally higher cost of living (housing mostly) makes the road a bit more uphill. I don't know now health insurance works for veteran's. Does the VA cover that?

You know what else is annoying?

When you live in a tourist town and the default assumption up valley is something other than "Yeah, I'm pretty busy 7:30 to 5:30 about 6 days a week. I've got this pesky thing called a job."

Also, when you use your official Facebook Page for the trails org to humble brag about your kid's summer at camp and on vacation. I'm just trying to see if a particular road is open. I don't give a shit about the Executive Directors Daughter's gymnastics camp.

[riser4]

Thing #3 chose an expensive school knowing we can't afford to pay for it and he doesn't want to borrow all of it. So he's doing ROTC. He wants to work in aerospace as part of the MIC, so it's a good career move.

[Supermoon]

The military track does seem like a pretty good option these days. I've got a bunch of friends (friends kids) that have gone or are going this route. I still say the the generally higher cost of living (housing mostly) makes the road a bit more uphill. I don't know now health insurance works for veteran's. Does the VA cover that?

You know what else is annoying?

When you live in a tourist town and the default assumption up valley is something other than "Yeah, I'm pretty busy 7:30 to 5:30 about 6 days a week. I've got this pesky thing called a job."

Also, when you use your official Facebook Page for the trails org to humble brag about your kid's summer at camp and on vacation. I'm just trying to see if a particular road is open. I don't give a shit about the Executive Directors Daughter's gymnastics camp.

Other than the, you know, getting shot at for a living, and people trying to gut the VA, and the astronomical rates of veteran suicide because they can't get the care they need from the VA and can't afford it from other places, or the exposure to toxic chemicals, and the like 90% divorce rate (I made that up, but it's high). Nothing but respect for those that do it, but it's not a cake walk, and lots don't leave unscathed in one way or another.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I would guess that greater than 75-80% of military personnel are in no danger of being shot at unless you consider random shootings here. There was just a big expansion of the VA extending full healthcare coverage to many veterans that served in Vietnam/SE Asia and the Gulf Wars/SW Asia.

I was deployed during Desert Shield/Desert Storm and I was shot at and exposed to tons of toxic shit. Watch Jarhead for a pretty realistic portrayal of that conflict, I was deployed with the 1st Marine Division, 1st MEF. Is it for everyone? No. I have no regrets about enlisting in general, better vocational training than civilian schools, you get paid for it and there’s myriad pathways for advancement and free continuing education.


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[m2711c]

The whole “getting shot at” thing is a quite bit overblown really…

Well, I mean, there are definitely some job titles that absolutely put you in harms way on the regular. however, the vast majority of military personnel are in support positions. I think the current ratio is something like 8 to 1 rear guard to frontline.

do some career planning and pick a non-frontline MOS.

and don’t be homer…





fact.

[dan_pdx]

More like "shit that makes me nervous". Sister's neighbor is addicted to buying stuff, most of which sits unused. So much better to have the money than to have a bunch of crap sitting around taking up space.

My ten or so snowboards are different of course

[J. Barron DeJong]

Just got a spam text that read: undefined

[m2711c]

You prefer your spam defined?

[J. Barron DeJong]

I mean, at least put the effort in.