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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    <snip> But on the other, people are now realizing that maybe killing yourself for a couple decades just to likely top out at Middle Mgmt might not worth it, and so they might as well take a more laid back approach to their career and let that MM position come to them 10 yrs later than it would have otherwis
    And none of this is new. Some of us Gen-X'ers have been doing this since the early 90's. And fuck middle management. I've been in the IT trenches for 30-ish years now. Pay has never been spectacular, but it's a decent living with what amounts to not a terrible amount of work.

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    Crinkle Cut Charmin? What in the Why in the Fuck?


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    However many are in a shit ton.

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    It’s actually fantastic. Doesn’t rip off weird so us ocd types don’t go deeper into insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
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    Crinkle Cut Charmin? What in the Why in the Fuck?


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    I applaud their attention to detail but I don't like it. I like a nice even, straight break between sheets.

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    Trigger finger, right hand ring finger - annoying.

    Also jet lag, can’t get to sleep at 3:30 am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper View Post
    Also jet lag, can’t get to sleep at 3:30 am.
    As a former professional world traveler, I've learned it's best to just go with it and push it out til the next night. Have breakfast, do your whole day routine, NO napping, and it'll be lights out after dinner. Boom. Back to your regularly scheduled programming. Similarly, that's how I'd adjust to new locales 12 time zones away. Now if I was circumventing the globe, making stops all along the way, but knew I'd be back home in a few days, I'd just stick with home time. You travel enough, and you just start using GMT/UTC all the time for everything and it's all just +/- from that. Helps to keep it all straight. Haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    And none of this is new. Some of us Gen-X'ers have been doing this since the early 90's. And fuck middle management. I've been in the IT trenches for 30-ish years now. Pay has never been spectacular, but it's a decent living with what amounts to not a terrible amount of work.
    I'd love to be wrong but, these feels like some type of systemic disconnect in society right now. Generally speaking, the participation trophy generation has been getting high fives for C work. This has manifested as really being pretty deficient in getting the self satisfaction from doing a good job.

    At the same time, the prospects and opportunities for those the never get out of second gear kind of suck. I seems like a generational difference to be. 25 years ago in Denver (what I know) you could have some BS cube monkey job, do your 40, be someone financially responsible, buy a house, play a bit of golf at the public coarse, have a newer car, fund the 401k, ski and camp every weekend as so on.

    It annoys me that 50s peeps that are getting their's come with the "do as I do and you'll have what I have mindset". Yes, the opportunity existent, but not everyone is above average. Absent some family wealth or other true priveledge (no, being white isn't enough) life for those that coast isn't that comfortable. Yet, we are so soft on the young'uns that we have been rewarding coasting.

    I know a couple of workers that can't ever be on time. One came with a note that says they have been diagnosed with "time blindness". You know the type oversleep, miss the bus, get a ride to school, no detention for being late, no job as teenager because thats not a thing anymore and so on. So homeboy can keep being late, he'll be replacement when the labor pool allows and he'll be wondering why he's stick sucking dick for beer money.

    Best we've set the incentive system up all wrong. People get out into the big mean world, don't have the self awareness to realize that life is what you make of it, probably wave the mental health flag, go on the drugs and boom...that's the new average.

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    Ohh...and contrast that, generally, the in immigrant communities. Chores from the time you can walk, going to work with parents soon after that. You want stuff, go earn it. I've got friends kids, mid 20s, Mexican parents (they are Dreamers), American educated (no college), full bilingual just out there killin' it butting on their big boy pants Adulting the Fuck Outta It.

    An then I know other young adult from way more cush upper middle class families with the 4 year degree that can't get out of their parents basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Crinkle Cut Charmin? What in the Why in the Fuck?[/url]
    This amused me during my morning shit session. Set the phone down and lo and behold, new roll of TP is crinkle cut charmin.

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    Ohh...and contrast that, generally, the in immigrant communities. Chores from the time you can walk, going to work with parents soon after that. You want stuff, go earn it. I've got friends kids, mid 20s, Mexican parents (they are Dreamers), American educated (no college), full bilingual just out there killin' it butting on their big boy pants Adulting the Fuck Outta It.

    An then I know other young adult from way more cush upper middle class families with the 4 year degree that can't get out of their parents basement.

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    VT got walloped again with rain and flooding exactly a year after the last one. We need a few bazillion dollars to relocate out of the flood plains.

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    all you guys got is floodplains and mountaintops. where are you gonna put the folks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    all you guys got is floodplains and mountaintops. where are you gonna put the folks?
    There's that minor detail working against us for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Crinkle Cut Charmin? What in the Why in the Fuck?
    https://slate.com/human-interest/202...ltra-soft.html

    Imagine being the poor schmoe at Charmin who was told "come up with something new that we can market"

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    “Time Blindness” is hilarious.
    Does he have “Time Deafness” as well when the alarm goes off?

    WTF?
    Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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    It’s not something you would normally have on its own. That usually is something that accompanies severe dyslexia and ADHD.
    Last edited by m2711c; 07-11-2024 at 09:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    all you guys got is floodplains and mountaintops. where are you gonna put the folks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    It’s not something you would normally have on its own. That usually is something that companies, severe dyslexia and ADHD.
    Right but in a world on emotional support donkeys, the prospects for small business employers is really fucking scary. When there becomes a medical diagnosis for everything that makes someone shitty at that their job and that medical condition leads to protected class status that is fucking annoying.

    It comes back to the above, "my kid can't make it on time" "he's not good at math early in the day" "IEPs for everyone" "Adderall and Ritalin required" has kinda become the way. And so it just skirts personal responsibility and becomes toxic in the work place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    "Adderall and Ritalin required"
    I approve of this company policy. Is the pill jar on the front desk next to the candy jar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
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    hmmm… that’s gonna interfere with the viewshed.


    fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    I approve of this company policy. Is the pill jar on the front desk next to the candy jar?

    it is the candy jar. have two, they’re calorie free.


    fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    I'd love to be wrong but, these feels like some type of systemic disconnect in society right now. Generally speaking, the participation trophy generation has been getting high fives for C work. This has manifested as really being pretty deficient in getting the self satisfaction from doing a good job.

    At the same time, the prospects and opportunities for those the never get out of second gear kind of suck. I seems like a generational difference to be. 25 years ago in Denver (what I know) you could have some BS cube monkey job, do your 40, be someone financially responsible, buy a house, play a bit of golf at the public coarse, have a newer car, fund the 401k, ski and camp every weekend as so on.

    It annoys me that 50s peeps that are getting their's come with the "do as I do and you'll have what I have mindset". Yes, the opportunity existent, but not everyone is above average. Absent some family wealth or other true priveledge (no, being white isn't enough) life for those that coast isn't that comfortable. Yet, we are so soft on the young'uns that we have been rewarding coasting.

    I know a couple of workers that can't ever be on time. One came with a note that says they have been diagnosed with "time blindness". You know the type oversleep, miss the bus, get a ride to school, no detention for being late, no job as teenager because thats not a thing anymore and so on. So homeboy can keep being late, he'll be replacement when the labor pool allows and he'll be wondering why he's stick sucking dick for beer money.

    Best we've set the incentive system up all wrong. People get out into the big mean world, don't have the self awareness to realize that life is what you make of it, probably wave the mental health flag, go on the drugs and boom...that's the new average.
    Idk, I’ve been coasting for years and I’m pretty comfortable. I’m 56. What’s comfortable? I don’t really worry about money and I’ve lots of free time to play working 32 hours/3 days a week.

    I think the real problem is expectations, people think they’re going to live like a wealthy professional or celebrity without working for it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    I think the real problem is expectations, people think they’re going to live like a wealthy professional or celebrity without working for it.
    i agree. The amount of shit that people feel the need to own is outrageous. Newer car, bigger/nicer house, fashion, home furnishings, electronics, takeout food and coffee, subscription services, etc. Its crazy.


    And im not making the boomer argument "you millenials could afford a house if you stopped eating avocado toast!". Im just saying that the amount of average spending on "luxuries" these days is outrageous, and many people need proper perspective on what they can/cannot afford, and what they need vs want. The realities of being a young person on your own is a shock to many young people who grew up in a middle/upper middle class family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiagrown View Post
    i agree. The amount of shit that people feel the need to own is outrageous. Newer car, bigger/nicer house, fashion, home furnishings, electronics, takeout food and coffee, subscription services, etc. Its crazy.


    And im not making the boomer argument "you millenials could afford a house if you stopped eating avocado toast!". Im just saying that the amount of average spending on "luxuries" these days is outrageous, and many people need proper perspective on what they can/cannot afford, and what they need vs want. The realities of being a young person on your own is a shock to many young people who grew up in a middle/upper middle class family.
    Also, there are a lot more luxuries available these days. Wasn’t no avocado toast or expensive brews and such in my 20s/30s. Luxury cars and homes and huge-ass tvs etc.

    …and we liked it!

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    Unicorn, I think you are in medical...hospital something?

    Do you think your life track exists today? How is it different?

    Think your public education, cost of higher education, ability to pay what bills you had in your 20s and so on.

    I get what you are saying about consumerism and all. But I live somewhere that you'd be hard pressed to spend money on a night out.

    On balance I think that's a bit of a ruse. Perhaps the pressure and ways to waste money is greater.

    Think about it like this. They want what we got. How would you coach them to get their. Because if you did it how I did it, I think you probably be fucked. You be swimming in your school loans, would have never been able to buy a house at 30 and all that fucking off you did would have a really high price.

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