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  1. #34876
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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    Heh

    I know we disagree an things.

    But I’m actually edumacated.

    And smart enough to realize healthcare is broken.

    It goes against my libertarian principles. But people need care. And I care about people.

    National healthcare will be a bloated Bureaucracy.

    But not having healthcare is evil.
    The poor get too much.
    The rich pay too much for shitty coverage
    The middle skates along with no insurance hoping they don’t get hurt or sick.
    I'm kind of the same mindset. I WANT to go the way of some European models, but I fear (and know with 100% certainty) that our political leaders completely lack the balls to tell the insurance companies, big pharmaceutical companies, lawyers, and the medical industry at large to go get fkd. We are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far down this path to affordably pull off universal healthcare without completely nuking the system, hitting the reset button, and starting over without the lobbyists and lawyers getting in the mix. Just ain't gonna happen. None of our leaders are willing to do what needs to be done. Including the Democrats. They are very much part of the same whack machine. How we do things currently is utter insanity, though. How did everything get so bad? Although technology has steadily improved over the decades, there's been a complete inverse line of bullshit we all have to deal with.

  2. #34877
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    How did everything get so bad?.
    Well, it all started with Nixon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Well, it all started with Nixon...
    Really? I mean, I don't know that much about the Nixon presidency aside from the scandal that got him canned, BUT I did find this about his stance on healthcare:
    Lessons on Universal Coverage from an Unexpected Advocate: Richard Nixon
    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blo...-richard-nixon

  4. #34879
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Well, it all started with whacking JFK, installing Ladybirds husband, then the fascist pirate Nixon...
    FIFY??
    “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.”
    Hunter S. Thompson

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    It started with Eisenhower’s Military Industrial Complex speech which was a wake-up call warning the dangers of undue influence on government left unheeded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by singlecross View Post
    It started with Eisenhower’s Military Industrial Complex speech which was a wake-up call warning the dangers of undue influence on government left unheeded.

    I was actually thinking of that, but decided to start with JFK.

    Anyone who hasn’t watched that farewell speech should.

    I never liked Ike.
    Before my time.
    General turned prez.

    But when I saw that speech many years ago, I gained respect for him. I like Ike now.
    “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.”
    Hunter S. Thompson

  7. #34882
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    Damn.
    Just when I was about to write CS off completely, he comes up with something like this.

    But you're still on probation, buddy, so watch it.

  8. #34883
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    Double secret probation.

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    It’s late on the thread but I gotta throw my hat in with MF on the cash vs insurance thing.

    I used to be on a high-deductible catastrophic plan. I went to the doc maybe 2x/year if that so the risk of ever hitting my deductible was negligible.

    After a couple times of getting charged the “Negotiated Rate” of ~$350 for a visit, with a 0% deduction (again due to not hitting the deductible) , I started asking for cash prices. Most of the time is was around $100.

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    When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


    Kindness is a bridge between all people

    Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism

  11. #34886
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    When I was a kid we were on a Lake Michigan beach on a summer camp canoe trip near a couple of guys in MC club gear and their girlfriends. One of the guys passed out and the other 3 spent the afternoon pissing on him and covering him in mustard. Which I did not write about in the weekly mandatory letter to my parents.
    Which part of this annoyed you?


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    Lots of Cream, Lots of Sugar

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    Waited our turn to use the table saw at the Truckee Roundhouse makerspace but when it was our turn no suction from the dust collector. So we go outside to where the dust collector is, remove the HEPA filter which is a pain in the ass cleared the dust which involved banging and brushing on the inside of the filter for about half an hour--fortunately they had an N95 for me to wear. Meanwhile several guys watching. We replace the filter--more of a pain in the ass than removing it, go back in, turn on the dust collector and get great suction-------and the guys who were watching me clean the filter jump ahead of us on the table saw and we get to wait some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Waited our turn to use the table saw at the Truckee Roundhouse makerspace but when it was our turn no suction from the dust collector. So we go outside to where the dust collector is, remove the HEPA filter which is a pain in the ass cleared the dust which involved banging and brushing on the inside of the filter for about half an hour--fortunately they had an N95 for me to wear. Meanwhile several guys watching. We replace the filter--more of a pain in the ass than removing it, go back in, turn on the dust collector and get great suction-------and the guys who were watching me clean the filter jump ahead of us on the table saw and we get to wait some more.
    Justifiable homicide.

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    Companies with account portals that make it less than obvious how to view the actual bill. Not what’s due, not when the due date is, the actual PDF of the bill. I’m looking at you Verizon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    Justifiable homicide.
    Preceded by removal of all appendages with table saw using 10 year old blade missing 50% of teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    Justifiable homicide.
    Yup, that table saw shit sounds way more annoying than a Pre-teen getting to watch a couple girls pee on a passed out drunk dude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Waited our turn to use the table saw at the Truckee Roundhouse makerspace but when it was our turn no suction from the dust collector. So we go outside to where the dust collector is, remove the HEPA filter which is a pain in the ass cleared the dust which involved banging and brushing on the inside of the filter for about half an hour--fortunately they had an N95 for me to wear. Meanwhile several guys watching. We replace the filter--more of a pain in the ass than removing it, go back in, turn on the dust collector and get great suction-------and the guys who were watching me clean the filter jump ahead of us on the table saw and we get to wait some more.

    Did you call them out on it?
    Or did you just fume until you could post here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    Did you call them out on it?
    Or did you just fume until you could post here?
    U-iIPPS

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    Quote Originally Posted by singlecross View Post
    It started with Eisenhower’s Military Industrial Complex speech which was a wake-up call warning the dangers of undue influence on government left unheeded.

    Smedley Butler MajGen USMC MOH x2 called it in 1933

    Smedley Butler on Interventionism

    -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley
    Butler, USMC.
    War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
    I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
    I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
    It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
    I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
    During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
    “I have a responsibility to not be intimidated and bullied by low life losers who abuse what little power is granted to them as ski patrollers.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    U-iIPPS
    Can't text and poop at the same time, jojo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PB View Post
    Preceded by removal of all appendages with table saw using 10 year old blade missing 50% of teeth.
    It's a Sawstop. In order to get off fingers I would have to put the saw in bypass mode which would require me finding the manual which keeps getting moved and then follow the byzantine sequence of steps required to put it in bypass mode, all of which would be more annoying than the original insult. The only thing more annoying is having to replace the brake cartridge in order to use a dado set. That alone would keep me from buying a Sawstop, which is otherwise a lovely saw.

    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Yup, that table saw shit sounds way more annoying than a Pre-teen getting to watch a couple girls pee on a passed out drunk dude.


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    Never said that was annoying. It was officially sanctioned thread drift from the eyebrow shaving posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    U-iIPPS
    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    Can't text and poop at the same time, jojo?
    Sound it out, buddy. Start with: Un-_______ervice. You can do it. I bet even before your next pad change.

  23. #34898
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    My mountain cycle magazine came in the mail accompanied by a Shimano ebike magazine/propaganda advertisement. Super fucking annoying.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snoqpass View Post
    Smedley Butler MajGen USMC MOH x2 called it in 1933

    Smedley Butler on Interventionism

    -- Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley
    Butler, USMC.
    War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
    I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
    I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
    There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.
    It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
    I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
    I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
    During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
    The most decorated Marine in history at that point and for many years after. A bona fide war hero, a patriot, and a very smart man. More people should know about him.

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