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10-27-2019, 11:50 AM #326
AT Boot Comparative Flex by model (updated)
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10-27-2019, 06:15 PM #327
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10-27-2019, 08:23 PM #328
I was thinking about this the other day while fit/flex testing the Hoji Free, Hawx xtd 130 and Tecnica Scout in various ski shops.
A coupla ideas:
1. Shops dedicate some space in a staff room freezer in which to cool boot shells to a more realistic winter temp ( - 15 C ? ) in a reasonably quick time frame.
2. Clamp a set of skis with rental bindings on a somewhat soft rubber layer on an inclined surface. The softish rubber would allow the skis to tilt to some degree in response to lateral angulating movements of tester.
Step into skis and do some ankle rolling/lateral pressuring and fore/aft flexing to at least get a better hint at real world boot flex, fit and feel. The dynamic motions would also highlight potential pressure points and problematic fit areas more effectively as well. Sure the shells would warm quickly but there's probably a reasonable short time window where beneficial intel could be gleaned.Master of mediocrity.
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10-27-2019, 11:56 PM #329
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11-15-2019, 10:26 AM #330Registered User
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I just got some Salomon Xmax 120's and compared them with my Tecnica ZeroG Tour Pro's. Did some carpet flexing at home when clicked into skis. I'd agree with the 125 rating here for the Tour Pro's. And my old Tecnica ZeroG Tour Scouts flexed around 110.
If anyone is looking to stiffen up their overlap touring boots I rode all spring with the Pulse Boot Lab ProFlex "tongues" in the Zero G Scouts which definitely bumped them up 5-10, and didn't effect their walkability. Highly recommend.TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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11-15-2019, 02:34 PM #331
Can’t really call that a valid test if it was at room temperature, no?
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11-15-2019, 07:39 PM #332Registered User
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01-16-2023, 03:57 PM #333Registered User
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After many more seasons in the full ZGTP still feel the same.
TLDR; Ski faster. Quit breathing. Don't crash.
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03-27-2024, 04:18 PM #334
This hasn't been updated for a while but then it relies on user contributions.
Bump for boot nerds
I'll update for
- Hoji ProTour
- 2024-5 Tecnica ZeroG Tour Pro
- Atomic Backland XTD 120
- Atomic XTD 130 Boa
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03-27-2024, 05:42 PM #335
Safe to add the hoji free 130 in the 135 slot with the lupo ax 130 on your list. Free 130 is def stiffer than both hawx xtd 130 and vulcan and similar stiffness tp my lupo c ti
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03-27-2024, 08:52 PM #336
No love for the Roxa R3 130 TI I.R ?
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>>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<
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03-28-2024, 08:07 AM #337
I’d say that the Lupo 130c is just a touch stiffer than the R3 130 ti. It might be just that the Lupo is heavier and the flex is more “dynamic” with the R3 130.
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03-28-2024, 08:34 AM #338
Buster. Am interested in the Roxa too but haven't skied it and would appreciate more data points. Thx MUnicorn. I'll add that.
Question. The 130 flex is getting crowded. How to make it more granular?
For example I had the Lupo 130, Cochise, Mindbender carpet tested and thought they were stiffer than the Hawx and ZGTP 130. But are they 140? Or a "130+". Am scratching head on how to slice that one up tbh
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03-28-2024, 08:59 AM #339
Some need to be downgraded i think. Its not clear what any of the flex numbers really are. It varies year to year as boots get stiffer. Companies cant even agree on what a 130 is. There's a fairly noticeable difference between a vulcan/xtd 130 and a lupo 130. A lot of work to reorganize all these boots though. The thread has made relatively clear where they stand. Maybe 3year age brackets within a flex segment. Ie 130 (2018-2020) 130 (2021-2024)
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03-28-2024, 09:16 PM #340Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
>>>200 cm Black Bamboo Sidewalled DPS Lotus 120 : Best Skis Ever <<<
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03-29-2024, 07:04 AM #341
Hoping somebody can add the following: Ridge Pro, Transalp Pro, Skorpius I and II, XT3 Tour pro, and Vanguard, Backland Carbon, all of the F1 XX variants and Quatro,....
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03-29-2024, 08:37 AM #342
Zero G Peak?
Originally Posted by blurred
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03-29-2024, 08:45 AM #343
Lord Thomas, I've skied a few of those boots on your list (Ridge Pro, XT3 Tour Pro, Backland XTD 120) and I'll throw in my 2 cents. I can do some comparisons with the Scarpa Maestrale RS, which I've skied a lot over the years.
I certainly don't have the experience that LeeLau has in these matters, but my only 'beef' with his list is that I would have the Maestrale RS stiffer than a 105. I'd say more like 115 (at least the 20/21 version).
In order of stiffest to least stiff:
XT3 Tour Pro - Ridge Pro - Maestrale RS - Backland XTD 120
The Ridge Pro and Maestrale RS were close, but I'd say the Ridge is just a hair stiffer.
If I had to assign numbers I'd say something like this:
125 - XT3 Tour Pro
120 - Ridge Pro
115 - Maestrale RS
110 - Backland XTD 120
A quick note on the Backland XTD 120...It seems softer than the above boots in forward flex, but I think it's stiffer laterally than forward. Also I found the forward flex to be nice and smooth. It skis well for how awesome it walks, I'm happy with it. No problem driving 108 waisted skis in less than perfect snow.
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03-29-2024, 08:53 AM #344
Thanks whatsupdoc! I'm going to revise the RS and Backland XTD to your rating. Appreciate the input.
Also not to derail this thread so put a question about Backland XTD in separate thread
Summit. I'd give the ZG Peak a 110. But have only skied it once and on groomers. What's your take?
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03-29-2024, 09:39 AM #345Originally Posted by blurred
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