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  1. #1076
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    I only notice the asym when they're leaning up against the wall at home. It's pretty subtle in the shovel, and more pronounced in the tail, so they don't look weird on your feet, at least to me.

    As far as on-snow behavior, I find them to be very easy/intuitive to ski, and can't say I changed my ski style to suit them, I just click in and ski as usual. I have mine set up as a touring ski (my only AT setup) and find them to be fun, capable and predictable in a wide range of snow conditions. They're quick edge to edge and feel narrower than 108mm underfoot on firm snow, but I find the float to be more than adequate for my size and powder skiing style.

    The snow feel/feedback from the heavy core/veneer layup is awesome too. Smooth and powerful, but with some nice liveliness too.
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  2. #1077
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    Good info. I forgot to ask: what didn't you like about the MVP or how would you describe it and the skinny Q back to back?

    Those are the two skis I am most tempted to try and build an enduro/veneer touring ski around 1800g. So appreciate the feedback on your experience.
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  3. #1078
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    If those screaming bears were ULs, I'd be seriously weakening.

    It's probably just a website glitch, but I don't see a UL option for GPOs at the moment. I can't get a flex 3/UL/Veneer GPO out of my head.

    ... Thom
    Thom I think that would be bomb at your height / weight. I'm 185 and a pair of 187 ul flex 3 gpo's were a tad too soft for me in the bc (also skiing tahoe). Fun af for tree skiing but not what I had hoped for in big, open terrain. Was used to 192 map 4's inbounds and to this day when i look down from the top of a hairy line in the bc, i wish i was on a bigass 192 gpo. Just don't wanna lug one up there

  4. #1079
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    Looking to scoop up a pair for my shifts and do some slack touring on them but mostly inbounds... currently own 187 MVP and Protest both flex 4... should I grab the same set up for the GPO or should I bump it up to the 192 and go flex 3?


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  5. #1080
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    The Official Great Pacific Octopus Thread

    iMHO I wouldnít flex down due to longer length, just go with what length you want and keep the flex you dig, you can thank me later.
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  6. #1081
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    Agreed, stock (4) flex is money.
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  7. #1082
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveski View Post
    Agreed, stock (4) flex is money.
    Ok I feel ya on the flex 4... will the 187 GPO feel like the 187 MVP or Protest? Trying to figure out if the 192 is worth it... kick turns may be a pain...


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  8. #1083
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    Quote Originally Posted by ALFONSO618 View Post
    Ok I feel ya on the flex 4... will the 187 GPO feel like the 187 MVP or Protest? Trying to figure out if the 192 is worth it... kick turns may be a pain...


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    I ski 187 Protests.

    I've had both 187 and 182 GPOs. I've settled on 182s for everything. If I skied more open terrain inbounds I'd go for 187 but I'm in the trees more than not. I think terrain you ski on a regular basis and terrain you like to ski will help you decide!
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  9. #1084
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveski View Post
    I ski 187 Protests.

    I've had both 187 and 182 GPOs. I've settled on 182s for everything. If I skied more open terrain inbounds I'd go for 187 but I'm in the trees more than not. I think terrain you ski on a regular basis and terrain you like to ski will help you decide!
    Ok great I think the 187 will be sufficient for what Iím looking for... plus Iím only getting older and slower... maybe the 187 is a safer future move...


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  10. #1085
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio View Post

    Iím gonna replace it with a softer-flexing more forgiving 180 cm / 116ish waist ski that I intend to use as a soft snow resort ski. Thinking Rossi Super 7 or Armada Tracer 118. I see in reviews the Tracer 108 has pretty soft tips and shovels, so the 118 might be worth a shot. I think a custom 180 +1 BC, Flex 2 might also do it for me, but Iíll have to see where the custom pricing ends up.
    178 Bodacious should be on your short list

  11. #1086
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    Quote Originally Posted by sruffian View Post
    Thom I think that would be bomb at your height / weight. I'm 185 and a pair of 187 ul flex 3 gpo's were a tad too soft for me in the bc (also skiing tahoe). Fun af for tree skiing but not what I had hoped for in big, open terrain. Was used to 192 map 4's inbounds and to this day when i look down from the top of a hairy line in the bc, i wish i was on a bigass 192 gpo. Just don't wanna lug one up there
    If I didn't already have a MAP / Carbon /#4 / Nylon top GPO in 182 and Enduro / Veneer / #4 (also 182), those Screaming Bears would be a consideration.

    I'm toying with the idea of getting down to an 1800-ish gram ski in this width, however. If Down came out with a 182 in the CD114L, I'd be all over that as well. Both this and the GPO work for me.

    I love a 187 in wide open spaces, but always regret having one where I mostly find myself - in tight trees ;-)

    I sold my veneer 187s to get the veneer 182s (mounted with Vipecs, 'coz I'm not sure how I'll use 'em). They give up very little top end (for me) and return a lot of maneuverability.

    The 182 (nylon tops) are my "real" touring ski (mounted with Helio 200s).

    Idle thoughts, but if cash frees up, a UL/veneer / flex 3 will certainly be on my short list (Colorado and generally continental/intermountain snow). I've only skied in maritime snow a total of 3 days in this life.

    ... Thom
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  12. #1087
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    I need some TGR help here... spotted some GPOs with the Sierra Nevada topsheet... guys clearly not a skier and I asked for a tip to tape pull and heís saying itís 72.5Ē.... is that the 187 or the 182 ? He had em advertised as 192.... anyone have a thought? Maybe GPO had another measurement near 185 back in the day? Thanks guys


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  13. #1088
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    Almost sure that's the 187.
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  14. #1089
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    Assuming he knows how to measure, it sounds like they're 187s. A 187 should measure in the 185 to 185.5 range (maybe 73" plus a little).

    ... Thom
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  15. #1090
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Assuming he knows how to measure, it sounds like they're 187s. A 187 should measure in the 185 to 185.5 range (maybe 73" plus a little).

    ... Thom
    That was my thought because 182s canít grow... figured it was a poorly measured 187... def ainít no 192cm


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  16. #1091
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    Just tried to measure mine that are supposed to be 187s (Craigslist find but the seller seemed like he knew what he was talking about). A little hard to get an accurate measurement without removing the bindings but 72.5 actually looks pretty close.

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  17. #1092
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    Quote Originally Posted by fleaches View Post
    Just tried to measure mine that are supposed to be 187s (Craigslist find but the seller seemed like he knew what he was talking about). A little hard to get an accurate measurement without removing the bindings but 72.5 actually looks pretty close.

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    Youíre the man I appreciate the help


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  18. #1093
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    I'm toying with the idea of getting down to an 1800-ish gram ski in this width, however. If Down came out with a 182 in the CD114L, I'd be all over that as well. Both this and the GPO work for me.

    ... Thom
    Word. I bought a pair of cd114's for touring - they were heavier than I'd hoped so never mounted them but that shape is FIRE. The 114L piques my curiosity if it flexes anywhere near as stiff and damp as the regular cd114. The open terrain / trees tradeoff is real in touring skis. Was enjoying my bmt 122's for that til I blew up the a kingpin toe that came with them

  19. #1094
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    This is maybe more of a praxis question than a gpo specific question, but has anyone found their nylon topsheets chip especially easily? Maybe it's because of the carbon layer? I feel like every time my skis touch, a big strip peels off. All my other skis have been a lot more durable in this regard.

    I don't really care that much--the skis are a little beat up anyways--but I'm looking for something to do to keep busy at home. Try beveling the edges a bit with a file? Paint some g flex on the corner? Any thoughts? Thanks!



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  20. #1095
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    What year? Older praxis had some slight top sheet chipping issues. I fixed that with my dremel along the edges to round/smooth them with a grinding stone or sanding drum attachment.

    Newer ones come from the factory with the top sheet edges beveled a bit I believe


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  21. #1096
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    What year? Older praxis had some slight top sheet chipping issues. I fixed that with my dremel along the edges to round/smooth them with a grinding stone or sanding drum attachment.

    Newer ones come from the factory with the top sheet edges beveled a bit I believe


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    Year unknown but definitely on the older side. Don't see any bevel at the top edge so maybe I'll do that, thanks!

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