RIP Chris Kyle

[PNWbrit]

merely to terrorize the population.

Just like Dresden, Hiroshima?

I agree.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

The Buddha on war:

The Buddha teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brothers is lamentable. But he does not teach that those who are involved in war to maintain peace and order, after having exhausted all means to avoid conflict, are blameworthy

If a person goes to battle even for a righteous cause, then Sinha, he must be prepared to be slain by his enemies because death is the destiny of warriors. And should his fate overtake him, he has no reason to complain. But if he is victorious his success may be deemed great, but no matter how great it is, the wheel of fortune may turn again and bring his life down into the dust. However, if he moderates himself and extinguishes all hatred in his heart, if he lifts his down-trodden adversary up and says to him, ‘Come now and make peace and let us be brothers’, then he will gain a victory that is not a transient success; for the fruits of that victory will remain forever.

‘Great is a successful general, but he who conquers self is the greater victor. This teaching of conquest of self, Sinha, is not taught to destroy the lives of others, but to protect them. The person who has conquered himself is more fit to live, to be successful and to gain victories than is the person who is the slave of self. The person whose mind is free from the illusion of self, will stand and not fall in the battle of life. He whose intentions are righteousness and justice, will meet with no failure. He will be successful in his enterprise and his success will endure. He who harbours love of truth in his heart will live and not suffer, for he has drunk the water of immortality. So struggle courageously and wisely. Then you can be a soldier of Truth’.

There is no justice in war or violence. When we declare war, we justify it, when others declare war, we say, it is unjust. Then who can justify war? Man should not follow the law of the jungle to overcome human problems.

[The AD]

What I meant was, just writing and publishing something like that is a little warped.

I disagree. It's his biography, for better or for worse. He thought it was interesting, his publisher thought it was interesting, and obviously lots of people thought it was interesting. I don't see anything warped about it.

[ill-advised strategy]

I have a friend who's been a seal since around '06 and have no clue what he'd do in real life. He's a sick athlete, smart, but not built for the office. I don't blame Kyle for trying to give his future some security by doing the book. He's a trained killer, where does he fit in?

there are some civilian places where that sort of guy fits in perfectly.

[Bobby Finstock]

I disagree. It's his biography, for better or for worse. He thought he could make money, his publisher thought they could make money, and obviously lots of people gave him their money. I don't see anything warped about it.

fixed...

[The AD]

fixed...

Fine. Still not warped. Merely capitalism. Can't begrudge him that.

[ill-advised strategy]

what's warped, if anything, is how we're rewarding this guy for recording the highest bodycount. Regardless of the circumstances and heroism of what he did, I have to wonder what kind of message that presents to the next generation of operators. Do we really want people trying to find a way to run some numbers up or do something more spectacular so they can be a celebrity and not have to go work at the Chrysler plant when they come home? I think that's a legit concern, I don't know how to address it, I'm just saying the thought of it leaves me troubled.

[Hugh Conway]

That's war. I'm sure some dudes wanted to be Audie Murphy but they didn't have the balls.

[concretejungle]

That's war. I'm sure some dudes wanted to be Audie Murphy but they didn't have the balls.

Well that purple jumpsuit he wore for Raw was a little out there.

[stfu&gbtw]

Acknowledging, telling, describing =/ Bragging.

Writing a book entitled "American Sniper: The Autobiography of the Most Lethal Sniper in U.S. Military History" = bragging about killing people

[Benny Profane]

what's warped, if anything, is how we're rewarding this guy for recording the highest bodycount. Regardless of the circumstances and heroism of what he did, I have to wonder what kind of message that presents to the next generation of operators. Do we really want people trying to find a way to run some numbers up or do something more spectacular so they can be a celebrity and not have to go work at the Chrysler plant when they come home? I think that's a legit concern, I don't know how to address it, I'm just saying the thought of it leaves me troubled.

Well, maybe that's part of the problem. There are no jobs at the Chrysler plant waiting for them. There's no Chrysler plant. But, if there were jobs, most wouldn't volunteer in the first place.

[flatlander#2]

Anxiously awaiting the bio on the daring miser from CT working in the housing industry living in townhome driving a lady car mad about baggage fees.

Although if he's slaying the babes like Davey there, well that's a Shade of Leroy we'd all like to read.

[PNWbrit]

a Shade of Leroy we'd all like to read.

Bwwwwwwwahhhhhh.

[XavierD]

what's warped, if anything, is how we're rewarding this guy for recording the highest bodycount.
I have to wonder what kind of message that presents to the next generation of operators.
I think that's a legit concern, I don't know how to address it, I'm just saying the thought of it leaves me troubled.

It is good to know atleast one person is still woried about the future of those behind switchboards, connecting long distance, and collect calls. I bet some of them even fantasize about large 'body counts.'


In other news, the vast majority of you proved yourself to be total cunts.

Warriors have allways talked about getting a high 'body count.' At the end of te day however, as a professional force (despite the current wishes of the political elect and appointed) and it is Mission First, People Allways. Petty things, like killing a metric fuck ton of bad guys, are not the focus.

I think it is funny (in a dark twisted sense) that it is almost allways those who have never killed are the ones worrying about this sort of thing.

RIP warrior.

[Bromontana]

Well, maybe that's part of the problem. There are no jobs at the Chrysler plant waiting for them. There's no Chrysler plant. But, if there were jobs, most wouldn't volunteer in the first place.

Are you bored and trying to get a response or do you really thing vets (as a group or certain types) wouldn't accept manufacturing jobs? You can infer a lot from that statement.

[The AD]

Petty things, like killing a metric fuck ton of bad guys, are not the focus.

And you're calling others in this thread cunts? What makes the people he shot "bad guys" other than the fact they were fighting for the other side? Some of them may have deserved to die. Probably others did not.

I certainly don't think Chris Kyle "got what he deserved" or anything remotely like that. He did his job and that involved killing people. I can accept that. But killing other humans should never be taken lightly. It certainly isn't "petty" as you said.

[jfost]

Are you bored and trying to get a response or do you really thing vets (as a group or certain types) wouldn't accept manufacturing jobs? You can infer a lot from that statement.

read it again.

[jfost]

...I think it is funny (in a dark twisted sense) that it is almost allways those who have never killed are the ones worrying about this sort of thing...

wonder if that's because those who HAVE killed have other things to PTSD about?

[neufox47]

So all of the soldiers who served on the front lines and killed people are monsters if they come back and tell their tale? And they are greedy murderers for hire if they try to profit off their story? And we should view military members with contempt because they went over and did the things our democratically elected government told them to do?

I assume all of you are fully engaged in the political process and are spending countless hours and $ trying to change American politics because if you don't you are complicite in the deaths of "innocent" Iraqis. Of course you also voted for someone other than Obama, because he is as much to blame as anyone, except Bush and Cheney. Or you just blame the sword instead of the guy swinging it?

I didn't really like the book. I thought he was very preachy and suspected the accuracy of some of it, as it contradicted many other books about the special forces. I didn't think he was a great guy or someone I'd want to hang out with, but he deserves some respect for what he did for this country.

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[Bromontana]

read it again.

oh. Yeah that's probably true on average

[MondayMorningQB]

If there is one purpose this thread has served it is to remind me that it has been some time since a man has offered money for sex, or propositioned me about some sort of ejaculatory arrangement. Going on 4 years, if I remember correctly.

Is it possible that my looks have slipped to the point that only women now find me sexually attractive?

I do not recommend aging, gang. Unless you are unhandsome, which I am guessing most of you are.

[PNWbrit]

What makes the people he shot "bad guys"

After all the mujahideen were bad asses when they were fighting the Russians invading their country.

[Hugh Conway]

After all the mujahideen were bad asses when they were fighting the Russians invading their country.

well, they were fighting godless white people who loved vodka, porn, firearms and strange internal combustion creations

[leroy jenkins]

I've only been offered material goods and cocaine from dudes, never women. I turned them down too...

The story of the man was pretty boring, but the story of the woman is entertaining, I was like 12 or 13 walking down the sidewalk in aspen, some old broad in a full length fur coat who must of been 70 or more grabs me by the arm and starts telling me the dirty things we'll do together. Chick was HAGGERED. Like some sort of goul with far too much makeup. I didn't even respond, just stumbled backwards in disbelief.

What I meant was, just writing and publishing something like that is a little warped. But, as said above, that's the kind of world we live in. The real crazies go all Aurora on us. This guy had a license, and he was looking for a screenplay deal, no doubt.

You dont think there is possibly a tiny chance he wrote it to promote his own healing, as well as that of others from what is one of the most psychologically damaging environments a person can be in? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah.




I'm done. Have fun gravedancers. Its a strange way to view the world to think skiers and snowboarders are heros and this guys a villian.

[PNWbrit]

from what is one of the most psychologically damaging environments a person can be in

At a rough guess being invaded by an all volunteer military might be more psychologically damaging than being in one.