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    Quote Originally Posted by east or bust View Post
    this is kind of interesting..



    LC500
    Gave that some love 10 pages or so ago nearly 500 hp, rear wheel drive, near 50-50 weight dist. and Lexus' best design in a long time? Yeah, I like it.
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Nice looking car. I have been reading about it over the past couple of weeks. 450bhp (100 less than M5 and AMG E63) 0-60 in 4.5 (M5 and E63 in the 3s) . $100k (same as M5 and E63). Top speed of 160. Cool commercial on TV. Lexus has been trying to compete with M-B and BMW since the 80s. It always fails.
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    Lexus was the only brand to immediately take customers away from S-Class buyers the day they rolled out the LS400.

    I think they've strayed from that business model.

    Anyways, even though I'm sure they're still down on raw numbers to ze Germans but I believe the LC is going against the 6 series and SL.

    The LFA is a truly world beating car though.
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    Lexus has been trying to compete with M-B and BMW since the 80s. It always fails.
    The LS400 upset the luxury market in a major way and is generally considered one of the best cars of all time. The Lexus V8 was even on Ward's list of 10 best engines of the century.

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    I don't care who sells more, I would take an M-B or BMW over its rival Lexus any year, at any time. Personally, I have never seriously considered buying a Japanese car, and have only considered buying a Toyota FJ40. I doubt that I ever will. I guess that is just personal preference. Power to all you fans of rice-burners
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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    Nice looking car. I have been reading about it over the past couple of weeks. 450bhp (100 less than M5 and AMG E63) 0-60 in 4.5 (M5 and E63 in the 3s) . $100k (same as M5 and E63). Top speed of 160. Cool commercial on TV. Lexus has been trying to compete with M-B and BMW since the 80s. It always fails.
    The reviews always slam the LC for weighing 4300 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    I don't care who sells more, I would take an M-B or BMW over its rival Lexus any year, at any time. Personally, I have never seriously considered buying a Japanese car, and have only considered buying a Toyota FJ40. I doubt that I ever will. I guess that is just personal preference. Power to all you fans of rice-burners
    Werd. A car has to have some soul. Lexus' efforts in the "go fast" space always look cold and mechanical to me. Moreover, I can't get over the fact that it could very easily be a Toyota. Hell, there's a camry on the market that will do a sub 6S 0-60.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    I don't care who sells more, I would take an M-B or BMW over its rival Lexus any year, at any time. Personally, I have never seriously considered buying a Japanese car, and have only considered buying a Toyota FJ40. I doubt that I ever will. I guess that is just personal preference. Power to all you fans of rice-burners
    I've never considered buying a Lexus over a BM either. In fact I've backed that up by buying more BMWs than I probably ever should have - including 4 truly problematic X5s, not to mention a M3 and my still daily'd 335.

    But I grew up in a dualistic family. Mom had many Lexuses (Lexi'i?) LS's for summer, LX's for winter and Dad a long string of 540s and 550s. The thing I learned was that the build quality of the Lexii was way better for the long haul, not to mention the from new ownership period (still have a LX470 going strong as a family car and my Mom's LS460L is still one of the best luxo-barges I've ever ridden in). But the BMWs were the only ones to put a smile on your face every. single. time. you pushed the skinny pedal - despite being horrible maintenance monsters once out of warranty.

    Way I see it, this is what makes being a car geek fun - learning the nuances of every marque - good or bad.
    I still call it The Jake.

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    ^^^ Good point. Anyone who knows BMWs knows that they are built to drive, but they are not really built to last. OTOH, M-B are built to last, but don't have the invigorating feel of a comparable BMW. (E.G: and E500 will run smoothly for 200K, and have a solid road feel, and a 550i seats will start coming apart at 100K, but the drive is exhilarating). Right now, my son is driving an '06 R350 with 130K on it, and the veh. still rides great with no problems. Lexus may be in the middle.
    Not sure, maybe closer to Audi, than BMW, M-B or Porsche
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    No, Lexus is not in the middle. It's superior to MB, BMW, and VAG. Let's really get the rhetoric going.

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    Not to me.
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    Funny thing about this conversation is that Porsche would never have been even mentioned in the same breath.

    But now that SUVs and 4 doors subsidize the 'real' cars so I guess it's all open to discussion. The Panamera is something to behold thats for sure.
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    No, Lexus is not in the middle. It's superior to MB, BMW, and VAG. Let's really get the rhetoric going.
    What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

    18k S550s were sold in the US in 2016. 5k LS460s were sold.

    In 2016, Mercedes sold 43k more vehicles into the US market, than Lexus did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer Drinker View Post
    What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

    18k S550s were sold in the US in 2016. 5k LS460s were sold.

    In 2016, Mercedes sold 43k more vehicles into the US market, than Lexus did.
    By this standard, the Ford F150 is better than all of them.

    Personally I've never driven a BMW or Mercedes that I liked, and the reliability hell of all Euro brands keeps me away. Though I keep daydreaming about a Cayman someday...
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    That may be true, but that is comparing apples to raspberries. I will tell you that as a consumer, I would not trade my 2006 550i for any 2010 Lexus. Additionally, while I see dozens (or many) 2004 M-B S, E, SL, etc on the road that still look good (or at least notice them), I rarely (if ever) notice any 2004 Lexus LS460s on the road. OTOH, people who own them always rate them highly. (Personally, I think they are just the people who refuse to buy German, because of their past). Also, I still see many Landcruisers on the road (but who cares if they show rust, or look beat up). All the reviews call them quality cars, so I am not trying to bash them, but I would consider 5 $100k cars, before considering a LC 500h
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    I'm on the other side of that one. I'd take a Lexus every time over a German car. They just don't break. "Fancy Toyota" is totally fine by me.

    This is not really the point of this thread though. I'll fully agree that Lexus doesn't belong in a car porn thread... Stuff like a Jaguar E type is what this is all about.
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    I love 90s and 00s Lexus models. They're nowhere near as connected to road feel as a BMW or even VW imo (thinking GLI), but different priorities are what drive east vs. german preference. It's not an agreed upon criteria so pounding an opinion into the sand isn't much good.

    My household will always have some form of Honda/Toyota/Nissan truck or sedan, if only for the peace of mind. If one of ze germans decides to shit out a new engine surprise, I want a choice about whether or not to fix it without having to get a rental.

    Acura : BMW
    Lexus : Mercedes
    Reliability : Drive feel

    Now, if you'll excuse me, I have an 05 VW GLI to stalk on the interwebs.

    p.s. those that demand a 3.5s 0-60 car over a 4.5s, for the most part, are doing it wrong imo. Speed comes in two forms, momentum & acceleration. If you can't appreciate the former, odds are you are terrible at handling the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    By this standard, the Ford F150 is better than all of them.
    No. Not really. That's a truck.

    The other two, are luxury sedans.

    The LS hasn't been relevant in 7 years. The spindle grill design is ruining the brand, and alienating the older demographic that buys them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dromontana View Post
    p.s. those that demand a 3.5s 0-60 car over a 4.5s, for the most part, are doing it wrong imo. Speed comes in two forms, momentum & acceleration. If you can't appreciate the former, odds are you are terrible at handling the latter.
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    am i the only one who can only giggle at vin diesel?

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    I live my life one Vin Diesel movie at a time. For those 70 minutes, I get to escape honest evaluations of achievement & meaning. Tried to watch Furious 7 on the plane last week. Turned that shit off within minutes in favor of a book on tape & some benzos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beer Drinker View Post
    The spindle grill design is ruining the brand, and alienating the older demographic that buys them.
    I really don't like that design either. Lexus to me is smooth & composed. Not a fucking Star Wars character. Same goes for Vettes. Whoever decided that gaudy is cool needs a new yab

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    Thread has got all dentisty again. Far too much Lexus Vs BMW Vs Mercedes



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    Quote Originally Posted by Beer Drinker View Post
    What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?

    18k S550s were sold in the US in 2016. 5k LS460s were sold.

    In 2016, Mercedes sold 43k more vehicles into the US market, than Lexus did.
    It was rhetoric, bobby stainless. I even told you what it was and you still fucked it up. Here's some more. You should post US sales of Lexus, MB, and BMW from 1990 to around 2010. I can wait if you need to check with your manager.

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    Did you BMW-philes see this piece on Jalopnik about the BMW 1600? I had never heard of this car before. Beautiful lines.

    http://jalopnik.com/the-classic-bmw-...eam-1793960394

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    Yeah, that's pretty. Looks like a 911 and a BMW had a lovechild and didn't tell anyone about it.
    I still call it The Jake.

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