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    Climate Change and Snowfall

    After reading this: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/13/us...ivelihood.html

    I was wondering, are there any regions which will benefit from changing weather patterns over our lifetimes? Are there any places which were traditionally too dry or too cold that will gradually become secret powder wonderland's?

    With four rain events already in December and current temps of 34 and rising in park city I think the future is bleak.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwstud View Post
    I was wondering, are there any regions which will benefit from changing weather patterns over our lifetimes? Are there any places which were traditionally too dry or too cold that will gradually become secret powder wonderland's?.
    Yes .....
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    They have socalized healthcare up in canada. The whole country is 100% full of pot smoking pro-athlete alcoholics.

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    It's confirmed. Low precipitation levels in the Southern Rockies have caused a butthurt of epic proportions.

    It's called a drought. They happen. They'll happen again. And you know what? They end too...

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    climate change = volatility. it will snow places it "shouldn't". and not snow places it "should".

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    The Rockies will get drier, some models predict more drying then other western mountain areas. PNW will get more precip, but with warming this may cancel out...often FL are right at the passes as is. Higher lats in areas with increased precip may be the way to go. No one know what will happen with enso, however, so that's a tossup.

    Move to alaska anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainier View Post
    Move to alaska anyone?
    Alaska will be the new PNW and the Yukon will be the new CDN Rockies/Interior BC.

    And then there's always Antarctica...

    To really inform yourself, stop only considering el Nino/la Nina, and start looking at the PDO and AO phases and strengths, and their interactions in concert with ENSO.

    The truth is out there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socialist View Post
    They have socalized healthcare up in canada. The whole country is 100% full of pot smoking pro-athlete alcoholics.

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    Helpful. Thank you.

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    Everyone crying about warm weather when our very existence as civilized creatures is due to prolonged periods of warm weather. Once, we'd just migrate to where the rains were and build our cultures there. If the ocean levels rose or fell, big deal, we'd just move a dozen feet above sea level. But now, these all too geologically frequent occurences are called climate disasters....That Is Fucking Bullshit. The climate isn't the problem, Man's dependence on a fragile infrastructure proping up a massively overpopulated world predicated on the false belief that climate should be static, now that's a huge problem. A climate disaster is when everything north of Iowa is under a 5000ft thick sheet of ice and the rest of the world is in perpetual drought because the world's fresh water is locked up in glaciers. That's when the future looks bleak. Really, we're always just one supervolcanic event away from a mini-ice age that will crush world food production far, far worse than global warming. Is it geting worse in the southwest? Hell. its already been worse. The Anasazi peoples abandoned southwestern Colorado because of a drought that lasted 60 YEARS. At least they knew when it was time to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neckdeep View Post
    Everyone crying about warm weather when our very existence as civilized creatures is due to prolonged periods of warm weather. Once, we'd just migrate to where the rains were and build our cultures there. If the ocean levels rose or fell, big deal, we'd just move a dozen feet above sea level. But now, these all too geologically frequent occurences are called climate disasters....That Is Fucking Bullshit. The climate isn't the problem, Man's dependence on a fragile infrastructure proping up a massively overpopulated world predicated on the false belief that climate should be static, now that's a huge problem. A climate disaster is when everything north of Iowa is under a 5000ft thick sheet of ice and the rest of the world is in perpetual drought because the world's fresh water is locked up in glaciers. That's when the future looks bleak. Really, we're always just one supervolcanic event away from a mini-ice age that will crush world food production far, far worse than global warming. Is it geting worse in the southwest? Hell. its already been worse. The Anasazi peoples abandoned southwestern Colorado because of a drought that lasted 60 YEARS. At least they knew when it was time to leave.

    We could be friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neckdeep View Post
    Everyone crying about warm weather when our very existence as civilized creatures is due to prolonged periods of warm weather. Once, we'd just migrate to where the rains were and build our cultures there. If the ocean levels rose or fell, big deal, we'd just move a dozen feet above sea level. But now, these all too geologically frequent occurrences are called climate disasters....That Is Fucking Bullshit. The climate isn't the problem, Man's dependence on a fragile infrastructure propping up a massively overpopulated world predicated on the false belief that climate should be static, now that's a huge problem. A climate disaster is when everything north of Iowa is under a 5000ft thick sheet of ice and the rest of the world is in perpetual drought because the world's fresh water is locked up in glaciers. That's when the future looks bleak. Really, we're always just one super volcanic event away from a mini-ice age that will crush world food production far, far worse than global warming. Is it getting worse in the southwest? Hell. its already been worse. The Anasazi peoples abandoned southwestern Colorado because of a drought that lasted 60 YEARS. At least they knew when it was time to leave.
    When the planet has recovered from asteroid impacts, super volcanoes, ice ages, polar shifts, massive earthquakes ect...I'm not too worried about our poor planet. It will be here long after we' re gone. I get a kick out of the old growth forrest rhetoric, those are new trees even if they are 500 years old. If humans want to build stupidly along the coastline then suffer the consequences when sea levels rise. Climate change will only effect us dumb humans, the planet will recover if it's even noticed. It's laughable that we think we can dictate the long term health of this planet, it's recovered from far worse multiple times. Once humans have exhausted the available resources and become extinct mother earth will heal itself again just like it's done for millions if not billions of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosworth View Post
    When the planet has recovered from asteroid impacts, super volcanoes, ice ages, polar shifts, massive earthquakes ect...I'm not too worried about our poor planet. It will be here long after we' re gone. I get a kick out of the old growth forrest rhetoric, those are new trees even if they are 500 years old. If humans want to build stupidly along the coastline then suffer the consequences when sea levels rise. Climate change will only effect us dumb humans, the planet will recover if it's even noticed. It's laughable that we think we can dictate the long term health of this planet, it's recovered from far worse multiple times. Once humans have exhausted the available resources and become extinct mother earth will heal itself again just like it's done for millions if not billions of years.
    Word mofo!

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    I didn't read the ny times link, and I agree with some of the sentiment that the earth is plugging along despite us to some degree. (pun intended)

    But what's with the snowfall scroll bar to the right? It's been reading France with 2 feet of snow every 24 hours for the last few days. I think my pop up blocker is messing with it, can't get more info. Is that legit, and unusual or regular, and what is the base like now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideski View Post
    I didn't read the ny times link, and I agree with some of the sentiment that the earth is plugging along despite us to some degree. (pun intended)

    But what's with the snowfall scroll bar to the right? It's been reading France with 2 feet of snow every 24 hours for the last few days. I think my pop up blocker is messing with it, can't get more info. Is that legit, and unusual or regular, and what is the base like now?
    Usually, the euro measurements are done in centimeters.

    The earth plugs along despite us but the more salient point I was making is that we, the species homo sapiens, have been plugging along and advancing despite the earth. We just came out of a glacial period about two or three days ago (appx.10,000yrs) if you are looking at a geological time scale. Antarctica and Greenland are still dominated by the residual ice sheets from the last glacial period and since that ice has not yet melted away, by some definitions, we are still in an ice age. The Pleistocene epoch has had a few ice ages over the last 2.5 million years and human beings were around and evolving through all of it. The most recent kept us as primitive hunter-gathers huddled along the african coasts because the interior of that continent was mostly a vast desert during the last ice age. If one is the sort that freaks out every time a big chunk of ice falls off an antarctic ice sheet....hmmmm....well, I hate to tell you this but, except for during ice ages, Earth has been ice free at the polar latitudes for the majority of its existence. Its the ice ages that are the abnormality, the great exterminators of life. The earth was warm during the dinosaur period and those species reigned for millions and millions of years. The last ice age kept homo sapiens pinned down along the margins of Africa but as the glaciers retreated, homo sapiens, equipped only with neolithic tools, filled almost every niche available on the planet regardless of its climate.
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    Best, most coherent post I have ever read in my entire life about this money-grabbing fraud perpetuated upon my sheeples. Well said!

    Quote Originally Posted by neckdeep View Post
    Everyone crying about warm weather when our very existence as civilized creatures is due to prolonged periods of warm weather. Once, we'd just migrate to where the rains were and build our cultures there. If the ocean levels rose or fell, big deal, we'd just move a dozen feet above sea level. But now, these all too geologically frequent occurences are called climate disasters....That Is Fucking Bullshit. The climate isn't the problem, Man's dependence on a fragile infrastructure proping up a massively overpopulated world predicated on the false belief that climate should be static, now that's a huge problem. A climate disaster is when everything north of Iowa is under a 5000ft thick sheet of ice and the rest of the world is in perpetual drought because the world's fresh water is locked up in glaciers. That's when the future looks bleak. Really, we're always just one supervolcanic event away from a mini-ice age that will crush world food production far, far worse than global warming. Is it geting worse in the southwest? Hell. its already been worse. The Anasazi peoples abandoned southwestern Colorado because of a drought that lasted 60 YEARS. At least they knew when it was time to leave.

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    All of this is thoughtful and all, but it still doesn't tell me where to book my ski trip next year.

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    just hope the earth don't end up like mars eh?
    We, the RATBAGGERS, formally axcept our duty is to trigger avalaches on all skiers ...

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    I have a lot of region in my mind there you can see this same situation as you asking so I must tell you the North America, and Western New York is the big region example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neckdeep View Post
    Everyone crying about warm weather when our very existence as civilized creatures is due to prolonged periods of warm weather. Once, we'd just migrate to where the rains were and build our cultures there. If the ocean levels rose or fell, big deal, we'd just move a dozen feet above sea level. But now, these all too geologically frequent occurences are called climate disasters....That Is Fucking Bullshit. The climate isn't the problem, Man's dependence on a fragile infrastructure proping up a massively overpopulated world predicated on the false belief that climate should be static, now that's a huge problem. A climate disaster is when everything north of Iowa is under a 5000ft thick sheet of ice and the rest of the world is in perpetual drought because the world's fresh water is locked up in glaciers. That's when the future looks bleak. Really, we're always just one supervolcanic event away from a mini-ice age that will crush world food production far, far worse than global warming. Is it geting worse in the southwest? Hell. its already been worse. The Anasazi peoples abandoned southwestern Colorado because of a drought that lasted 60 YEARS. At least they knew when it was time to leave.
    This is absolute BS. Mother nature should bow down to our awesomeness and obey our arbitrary rules/needs/wants. If I want a golf course in the middle of the desert, I'm damn well going to have one!

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...y-exaggerated/

    See? It's all a load of BS.






























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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    All of this is thoughtful and all, but it still doesn't tell me where to book my ski trip next year.
    Your missing the point... :P

    Book now or later, you have no idea what the conditions will be, live near a mountain so you can have good years or bad ones, as long as your up there its worth it. O and when you think to yourself "these conditions suck" your in the wrong spot.

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    You can rationalize climate change in whatever way makes you feel better but it is with a heavy heart that I contemplate my child's possibly skiless future.

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    THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
    search youtube "Look Up" then "H.A.A.R.P."

    woodstock is over...get hip without the stupid fedora or the male snood.

    Start here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E Paul View Post
    THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!
    search youtube "Look Up" then "H.A.A.R.P."

    woodstock is over...get hip without the stupid fedora or the male snood.

    Start here.
    http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/63...scription.html
    And continue here as well http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...er_control.htm

    Angle, love the ice-nine reference!
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