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11-14-2012, 02:54 PM #26
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11-14-2012, 02:55 PM #27Gel-powered Tech bindings
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In the process of preparing a follow-up to this summary of rando race skis:
http://www.skintrack.com/skis-comparison/
... to focus on non-race skis <= 1300g (in at least one length > 160cm), I counted ten Movement skis meeting that criterion (e.g., what's the difference between the Feather v Native v non-X Random ... or Natural v Iki?)Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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11-14-2012, 03:23 PM #28Registered User
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I think the Atomic Charter may be an option. 100 underfoot. 7lbs 8 oz. Some rocker. Not to pricey. Easy to get. They are a little soft. I think softer that Coombacks.
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11-14-2012, 03:27 PM #29Registered User
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11-14-2012, 03:27 PM #30Registered User
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11-14-2012, 04:12 PM #31
Kastle TX line? Minimal reviews on these, but the TX107 seem to fall close to the Jakal. With Kastle's reputation for stiff well made skis, I am intrigued, but to drop big money with out some info... there are better options, most of which have been mentioned here.
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11-14-2012, 04:36 PM #32
Volkl Aura at 7lbs and Atomic Access at under 7. It is great to see the choices in light weight skis. i went with the DPS 112 to replace the Manaslu's I skied last 3 seasons. Haven't picked them up yet but am thinking I should of just gone with the access since they both have turned up tails.
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11-14-2012, 05:29 PM #33
This might be of some assistance.
http://www.wildsnow.com/more/backcou...-gear-weights/Gravity Junkie
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11-14-2012, 06:51 PM #35...Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain...
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11-14-2012, 07:16 PM #36
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11-14-2012, 11:02 PM #37
Check out the la sportiva line.
The lo5 looks appealing. 95 ish underfoot, tip rocker, pretty light.
I've been digging the GT in firm/spring conditions, but I would've looked closely at the lo5 if it had been available last season.
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11-14-2012, 11:55 PM #38
I've got a pair of Trab stelvio xl's that I picked up in gear swap and I love them for the spring. The only pow i skied them in was 6 inches on top of a solid base and they were great, but I can't imagine liking them in the deeper stuff. They are hyper cambered, more than any alpine ski i've seen.
They are pretty damn stiff for they're weight, so a super solid ride. I would be interested in something a little straighter, a tad wider and with rocker, in the same construction. I just think straighter skis are more predictable in shitty conditions.
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11-15-2012, 12:00 AM #39Registered User
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11-15-2012, 12:02 AM #40
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11-15-2012, 03:11 AM #41
Slightly thinner than required by the OP, but had a look at this years Mustagh Ata,
as was posted by someone a while back, these now have a perfect early rise touring profile, starts deep and subtle then becomes something similar to the Manaslu in the final 20cm. Also much stiffer than Baltoro and Manaslu. Will be getting some.
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11-15-2012, 08:54 AM #42
Yeah, I was talking about if I wanted a general touring ski. But for a spring slayer, you're right.
I picked up a pair of Woo 1.0 also, those should take care of me winter powder touring.
I just keep thinking the I want something like the w99, but with a ehp/renegade shape and rocker profile. Maybe 105 under foot.
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11-15-2012, 12:16 PM #43Yeah, we ski here
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An ehp/ren shaped W99 is interesting but something of a contradiction, no? However, I'd love to see that idea in a Lotus 108 type of thing. If you want reverse camber and slightly longer radius in a light-ish 105-ish ski, look at the Volkl Nunataq. I wasn't too enthused with them when I demoed, but lots of people love them. I'm surprised the Voile Vector hasn't been mentioned in this thread. (maybe I missed it) Its light, cheap, and has a fun looking shape. It might be on the soft side but I haven't skied them yet so I can't say for sure. BD's Revert looks like a similar idea, maybe with more beef. I love my W99s but that is so-last-year's-news.
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11-15-2012, 12:42 PM #44
for the OP, not sure what weight you are really after, but:
DPS 176cm wailer 99 HYBRID is ~1695g in the real world (1685g, 1695g, 1705g).
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11-15-2012, 01:07 PM #45Registered User
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I'm surprised no one has suggested the DPS Wailer 105. They were all the rage a few years ago, but have got lost in all the hype of new skis. I bought a pair two seasons back and it is the best all around touring ski I have ever been on and I have been ski touring for 40 years. I have skied the Wailer 99 and own the 112's and have skied the G3 line and the some of the Movement, Voile's and Dynafits and none compare for my needs. The Wailer 105 is wide enough to float well, holds and edge on hard snow and is light enough to tour long distances. I did the Spearhead in a day with them in mixed conditions and they were perfect. They have just enough softness in the tip combined with a very subtle early rise and taper to get them floating well and not hook up, but enough stiffness and camber to hold an edge and get good rebound and responsiveness on harder snow where I felt a lot of the the more rockered skis, even the Wailer 99, were lacking. I like them better for touring than the 99's, though the 112's are more fun on BC powder days. I think a ski like the Praxis BC would be similar and a good choice, with more rocker than the Wailer, though the lack of rocker in the 105 has never been an issue, and the Zen Oxide comes close as well, but there is nothing quite like the feel of a pure carbon ski underfoot. The Wailer 105 has been lost in all the excitement about new skis, but it still stands up well in my opinion, more than well. It is superior to a lot of the new skis out there and I hope DPS continues to offer it.
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11-15-2012, 10:45 PM #46
I used to have W105's and found them too "active" for me. They were light as hell, though.
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11-15-2012, 11:14 PM #47Registered User
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^^ Thinking about maybe trying to pick up a used pair at some point. Care to elaborate?
"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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11-15-2012, 11:22 PM #48
I think my skiing style just doesn't do as well with poppy skis as it does with damp skis.
I had a decent time in powder with them, but on the 3 tours I took, there were a few occasions where the light and slightly jittery behaviour wasn't ideal. 2 were on a packed down luge-like ski outs, and the other was on firm and windpacked/rippled surfaces. I've skied similar terrain in my old Coomba's and never felt uncertain, but on the W105's I was all over the place.
Maybe just my style though, so take that for what it's worth.Goal: ski in the 2018/19 season
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11-16-2012, 08:49 AM #49Registered User
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Just heard Movement won't have a US distributor this year. They had Garmont lined up and then Scott bought Garmont and that fell through.
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11-16-2012, 10:16 AM #50
+1
Light skis, especially mid-stiff ones with a lot of carbon in them (i.e. Wateas, DPS Pures), tend to behave like this. Not a fan of the feeling either. If you're skiing tight, controlled turns where you're not moving too fast, it's not too bad, but it sucks when you want to open it up in variable conditions. Not a lot of people like to open it up and get speed in variable conditions, especially in the backcountry (where injury can be bad news), so they do work for some people. I'm not one of those people. Be ready for a lot of rebound and bouncing/skipping across the snow. In powder, it's no big deal, because powder doesn't push back - it actually can be quite lively, fun and playful. However, get into hard variable snow, and it ain't fun no more. I kind of consider DPS Pures to be a quiver ski - when the snow is soft and you want a light stiff ski for a fun, expressive ride in powder. Grab another more predictable, damp, smooth, stable ski when the conditions get harder and more variable.
K2 is a good example that has a pretty opposite feeling. Their feeling is soft but damp, smooth skis. You tend to give up some edge hold, though, with a softer ski. They definitely are the opposite of lively. They're often described as being pretty dead, but IMO, in steep variable conditions, that's what you want... no surprises and complete predictability. Not a lot of people like them for this reason, but if you generate excitement in other ways (i.e. skiing really fast), one can appreciate them more.
To get a damp, smooth ski, but with a bit of stiffness is a bit tricky, because that's when the constructions necessarily get heavier. Metal does a good job of this because it adds stiffness across the ski (torsionally), providing good edge hold, but doesn't add a lot of stiffness to the flex (longitudinally), and the ski will flow over the terrain while maintaining edgehold and giving you that damp, smooth ride. If you use fiberglass or a stronger wood core to get a torsionally stiffer ski, you'll also tend to make the ski stiffer flexing. A stiffer flexing ski will tend to get pushed around a bit more, since it won't flow with the terrain.Last edited by Lindahl; 11-16-2012 at 12:05 PM.
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