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Thread: New iMac announced today.
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10-23-2012, 05:21 PM #26Registered User
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One of the hard drive companies already makes a drive that's basically exactly what Apple is putting in this thing, down to the automatic decisions about where to put what. I bet it's actually the same drive, just rebranded.
(Just looked it up, it's Seagate with the Momentus XT series.)
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10-23-2012, 05:36 PM #27Registered User
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Yes and no. The momentus was a hybrid drive and has been out for quite a while. It uses older slower SSD technology. People have complained about them for years. This is 2 physically different drives managed by software, fast and BIG SSDs compared to the Seagates. The seagate hybrids can't store your whole OS on the SSD portion. They just aren't big enough to make any real difference. But I still wouldn't get one.
http://www.zdnet.com/apples-fusion-d...ht-7000006248/
Thanks to friendly Seagate PR folks I've played with their 1st and 2nd gen hybrid drives - a technology Seagate pioneered - and found them both a worthy advance on hard drives. But I also felt they were under-configured and that at least 32GB of flash would be needed to make a really snappy hybrid drive.
Apple goes big
Apple storage engineers were thinking along the same lines, only bigger. There is no doubt in my mind that for 95% of all iMac buyers, the new Fusion Drive will give them SSD performance with HDD capacity.
They'll be happy campers. They'd better be, because I'd guess Apple will charge their usual $2GB - or another $250 - on top of their normal outrageous HDD prices. Say $500 for the 3TB Fusion Drive.
But as sales guys like to say: "The bitterness of poor performance remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." And as the former owner of a quad-core i7 iMac whose performance was hamstrung by a 7200 rpm 1TB drive, I have to agree.
People who use iMacs for work will gladly pay the money.
The Storage Bits take
If HDD vendors want to stay in business, hybrid drives are a necessity. 1TB drives are overkill for most consumers, and the old strategy of same capacity in a smaller form factor has run out of steam.
But vendor price timidity has not helped the hybrid concept. Middling improvements don't win consumer's hearts - or wallets.
Apple has again leveraged their dominance of the $1k+ PC market to introduce the Fusion Drive - the hybrid all others will be measured against - to the only customers who can afford them: Apple customers. And what do you bet they have Fusion Drive production committed for the next 12 months, so PC competitors couldn't buy them if they wanted to?
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10-23-2012, 05:39 PM #28Registered User
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Oh, gotcha, now that I look at it I see that it's got a much bigger SSD as well. I looked at the Momentus when I needed to replace my MBP's bad drive earlier this year but ended up not going for it after reading reviews.
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10-24-2012, 06:21 AM #29
I find that statement comical, coming from an Apple customer that is on a 2006 machine that has worked flawlessly for 6 years.
I know what they are saying though. They are talking about the ridiculous Apple early adaptors that buy anything Apple.
I find the performance and design worth the $2500 the thing will end up costing me. I am going full boat, right off the shelf. It will last me another 6 years.
I have work PC's that I can't keep running for 6 months without a trip back to IT, and all I use them for are Excel spreadsheets 90% of the time. Forget about editing photos or video.
I hear what you are saying SOB, but I would rather just have the machine come as needed. I will add RAM myself though. They charge too much for that. I don't feel like messing with the hard drive.
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10-24-2012, 07:09 AM #30
Nope. My wife lives in Washington DC. I'm a grad student in Connecticut. I have an old white Macbook, but use the Imac for most all the big statistical stuff that I do. The computer is setup in my home office in DC now, but when I'm going to spend an extended time at school I drop it into it's suitcase like box, put it in the car, and take it back.
I do this more than I planned when I bought the computer, so maybe I should just have gone with a more powerful laptop, but configuring an equally capable Macbook pro and getting an equally good screen for my desk would have been roughly twice as expensive (I was locked into OSX by some statistical software that I had access to in Mac form for free).
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10-24-2012, 07:45 AM #31Registered User
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That's the way I look at it. I keep my machines for a long time. My current laptop is from 2007 and I won't be getting my new one until 2013. My tower is going on 3 years and no reason to change that out anytime soon. It gets expensive when you upgrade every cycle like an idiot, but lets be honest... For the majority of the population, they could use a 5 year old Mac and not even worry about performance. The same could be said about and enterprise win box, but then we're taking the same money anyway.
People don't realize how powerful computers are now compared to what they are using them for. I cut two full length HD shows on macmini graphics packages as well, while waiting for my new Mac Pro set up a couple years ago.Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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10-24-2012, 09:42 AM #32
Yeah, I am just feeling the restraints of this iMac now. The 2GB max RAM is part of it.
The 250 GB harddrive is another.
Honestly, this machine will become the house internet/ music machine, and we will finally retire my wife's 13" macbook that is on it's last legs. Maybe I will get her's fixed up just to have. Not sure yet.
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10-24-2012, 06:17 PM #33Hudge
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I bought an 21in iMac back in June after not getting the upgrade back when they were saying it would come in May. Just ordered 16 GB of RAM for it today which will take me up to 20GB total. I'm thinking that will work well for my photo/video work and internet surfing. I'm sort of tempted to try to sell this machine and buy a new one, but it just doesn't seem worth the trouble. But I haven't looked at the new specs, so there is that too.
I'll probably take it up to 32 GB once I've got some more cash around too.
SOB, why didn't you like your quad core i7
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10-24-2012, 06:26 PM #34Registered User
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I never had a quad i7??? My laptop is a dual C2D going to be upgraded to a dual i5. My desktop is a quad zeon at home and a hexacore zeon at work.
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10-24-2012, 06:34 PM #35
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10-24-2012, 06:57 PM #36Registered User
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You're an idiot.
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10-24-2012, 07:05 PM #37
Any thoughts on the new mini?
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10-24-2012, 07:59 PM #38Registered User
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What are you looking to do? It's go HDMI out which makes for a nice media center. The dual 2.5 i5 is no slug. It's still got tons of USB3, an FW800, SDXC and thunderbolt port. Graphics card may be lacking for a gamer but if you have a good monitor it would be a nice household system with a bit of umphf. If I didn't want portability I wouldn't hesitate on getting it for a system to do light editing on for a home unit.
I'd certainly upgrade to more ram via OWC though.Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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10-24-2012, 08:50 PM #39
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10-24-2012, 09:14 PM #40
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10-24-2012, 09:31 PM #41
Huh - look what you can get RIGHT FUCKING NOW for $2200:
Your ENVY 23-d060qd series
Operating system Windows 8 64 edit
Sound Card Integrated sound edit
Processor 3rd Generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3770S quad-core processor [3.1GHz, 8MB Shared Cache] edit
Graphics card 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M edit
Memory 16GB DDR3 SODIMM Memory [2 DIMMs} edit
Hard drive 3TB 7200 rpm SATA hard drive edit
Office software No Additional Office Software edit
Security software No additional Security Software edit
Networking Premium Wireless-N LAN card and Bluetooth(R)(1x1) edit
Productivity ports 6-in-1 card reader, 2 USB3.0, audio edit
TV & entertainment experience No TV Tuner edit
Primary optical drive Slim slot Blu-ray writer & SuperMulti DVD burner edit
Keyboard and Mouse HP wireless keyboard and mouse with Win 8 keyboard edit
HDMI Game Console HDMI Game Console [HDMI input] edit
DVD/CD burner, movie software Adobe(R) Premier Elements 10
Oh yeah - it has a touch screen and a BluRay writer. I honestly think the Windows 8 platform will change the game.
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10-24-2012, 09:50 PM #42Registered User
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10-24-2012, 10:52 PM #43Hugh Conway Guest
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10-24-2012, 10:53 PM #44
Windows 8 is a joke, reminds me of Vista. Most users will probably stick to Windows 7 because its stable and the hardware support is there.
Mac computers are also a joke and only morons with too much money buy them.
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10-25-2012, 07:46 AM #45
Nice, I havent played a game since Diablo 2, so this sounds like the perfect machine for my house. Wife likes to play around with photos, but in terms of just uploading them to facebook. I mainly use it as an office type rig for financial stuff.
Do you know if it can support dual monitors?Live Free or Die
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10-25-2012, 07:55 AM #46
News flash: iMac 21.5 to have non serviceable ram. 16gb is all you get haha
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10-25-2012, 08:26 AM #47Registered User
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Yes, but it is weird. You can use the thunderbolt port to dual DVI or go with thunderbolt to whatever your monitor is and HDMI to whatever your other monitor is. No matter what, you will be buying adapters unfortunately. And don't think you can go dual dvi AND hdmi for 3 monitors. That won't work as far as I know.
It's not a news flash if you read the thread dickhole. Lemme guess... I linux fanboy since you bash macs and windows?Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
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10-25-2012, 08:46 AM #48
I run windows/linux and osx on my pc.
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10-25-2012, 09:02 AM #49
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10-25-2012, 09:14 AM #50Registered User
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