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Thread: Coyote Problem
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10-25-2012, 09:30 AM #101"All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring."
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10-25-2012, 10:00 AM #102
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...shepherds.html
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/1218.pdf
http://www.predatorfriendly.org/how-...0Livestock.pdf
http://wolfarmy.net/non-lethal-preve...ck-protection/
http://www.wolfarmy.net/docs/llamas.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_llama
http://www.sheep101.info/201/guardians.html
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10-25-2012, 10:10 AM #103
I dont have any hard evidence, but from what I've heard, alpacas/llamas protect against yotes pretty well but arent going to do a whole lot against more than a couple wolves.
When I was in mt, a nice lesbian alpaca rancher couple, yea weird demographic, obviously lesbians, carhart head to toe, I never could guess which way they voted, had their alpaca population destroyed by wolves. My memory is kind of hazy on this exactly though. There is a chance it was coyotes but I'm trying to remember and I think it was wolves.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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10-25-2012, 10:19 AM #104
Llamas can protect against a pack of coyotes and/or a couple of wolves.
If you have a pack of wolves, get a mammoth donkey and tie some ribbon to your fencing.
http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/...ts/donkey2.htm
http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.c...ver-livestock/
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimed...tml?cid=983160
http://kerryg.hubpages.com/hub/Lives...ardian-Animals
http://wolfarmy.net/non-lethal-preve...ck-protection/
http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/cos/info/wi...cs/wolves.html
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10-25-2012, 10:49 AM #105
I have no dog in this fight, but a couple of the links posted say those freaky alien creatures arent as effective as guard dogs.
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"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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10-25-2012, 11:05 AM #106
Who knew! Alpacas are cute, valuable, and protective!
Yes, eastern coyotes are practically a different subspecies from moving east as people moved west and interbreeding with wolves and dogs. Saw this National Geographic article about it. Eastern Coyotes are way bigger and heavier set. They kinda look like mangy german shepherds.
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10-25-2012, 11:11 AM #107
Mama and six pups just trotted by me while I was out splitting wood.
I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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10-25-2012, 11:19 AM #108Registered User
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Oh my i read this whole thread looking for the guy whose two wives were having trouble with him and his three cougars, hoping to lend some assistance. This thread is about dogs, not pussy, and lesbian alpacas apparently. I googled alpaca to see what this is all about and, well they are sort of cute in a camel toe kind of way. I do have a cpouple of questions though
Do they swing both ways?
Do they taste like chicken or fish?
Was there a thread about cougar problems or not?
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10-25-2012, 11:25 AM #109
Yes. But generally you don't use one single method.
You don't use dogs OR llamas/donkeys OR fencing ribbon.
You use Dogs AND llamas/donkeys AND fencing ribbon AND not leaving food around.
To put in terms TGR might better understand:
You don't use a beacon OR a probe OR a shovel OR an avalung/flotation device...you use all of them to increase the likelihood of success.
Yep. In the east the "coyotes" are more of a coyote/wolf hybrid. Easter coyotes are definitely bigger than the coyotes out west, but smaller than the wolves out west. Their hybridization was basically an evolutionary survival technique. Similar to what's occurring with the Polar Bear/Grizzly Bear hybrids in the Arctic.
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10-25-2012, 11:55 AM #110
We had a couple llamas with our 500-head herd and would still lose a couple lambs each year but nothing like the slaughter the coyotes inflicted pre-llamas. I always understood it was their curious nature that would have the llama want to go check out the strange looking ewe (coyote) and approach it... basically running it off.
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10-25-2012, 01:55 PM #111Sav
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10-25-2012, 02:20 PM #112__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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10-25-2012, 03:14 PM #113
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10-25-2012, 04:09 PM #114
We had a guard dog too with our sheep herd, but my brother and I played with it too much which apparently turns them from professional guard dog into family pet that stays in the house.
We also had these awful spring-loaded cyanide bait things we called 'gitters'. The coyote would bite down and pull it, shooting death spray into its mouth. It would be dead after about one minute of horrific convulsing, foaming, and yelping. I only know that because I watched a neighbor's dog accidently bite one and I'm still haunted by the scene.
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10-25-2012, 06:06 PM #115
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10-25-2012, 06:17 PM #116
letting cats out to go kill birds and such is pretty douchey
that being said, I'd recommend some snaresIts not that I suck at spelling, its that I just don't care
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10-25-2012, 07:27 PM #117Registered User
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snares for the cat? I thought he was trying to keep coyotes away?
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10-25-2012, 07:32 PM #118
Starting my stakeout/ambush in a few mins. 12 gauge, bottle rockets, spotlight, headlamp, a few pumkin ales, some beef jerky and the latest issue of Barely Legal.....you know, for the artcles . As in my origional post, I have no interest in killing these guys. Just trying to scare the shit out of em.
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10-25-2012, 07:49 PM #119
^ show them this thread .
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10-25-2012, 08:12 PM #120
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10-25-2012, 08:29 PM #121
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10-25-2012, 08:40 PM #122Registered User
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This is some funny shit. I recently watched a video of a pack of wolves running down some musk oxen. They are in a whole different category from alpacas, and the wolves slaughtered the chosen animal. Ribbon on your fencing? really? Pretty much all canines have figured out humans and how to live around us. I would not put too much faith in ribbons protecting my flock
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10-25-2012, 09:21 PM #123
Well if you do some google scholar searches, or check out a few of the wolf threads here on TGR, you can educate yourself on the current science, which notes that these techniques drastically reduce rancher's livestock losses to wolves.
Maybe you could start here ( http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...%E2%80%9375%22 ), and then move on to the research articles in the reference list.Last edited by iscariot; 10-25-2012 at 09:33 PM.
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10-25-2012, 09:54 PM #124
There was a coyote in the middle of my street when I was coming home tonight and I thought of this thread, so I tried to run it over with my truck, but he was too quick and ran under my neighbors deck. I had the high beams on him and waiting for him to move until the neighbor came out on his deck and was all WTF!? I yelled out that he had a coyote under his deck and he yelled back "SO WHAT!?"
I felt stupid and yelled back "SORRY" and drove off. True story.Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature... Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. -Helen Keller
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10-25-2012, 09:56 PM #125Funky But Chic
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Fucking Americans.
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