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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Conway View Post
    so, this is XXXer chiming in with his middle of bumfuck BC schtick again for all 10 people here who that's relevant too? Between that and STFUs shit math....
    I have been missing you HUGH! We love you up here in bumfuck land cuz we appreciate a mag who knows alot about bumfucking, a guy who could shove that 800$ cord of hickory up his ass and ...still have room for the 17 cords of beetle pine !
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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    I'm just suffering from STFUtalkingouthisassagain. But aren't we all?
    What's hard for you to understand here? Pellets are 14 million btus/ton. Oak is 29 million btus per cord, or 14.5 million per ton. Pellets are $250/ton. That oak I bought, before tax, was $750/1.3 cords, or $288/ton. Even at that absurd price, the costs per ton, and especially per BTU, are comparable.

    Maybe what you're really trying to say here is that my ass is a lot smarter than your brain...
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    Buy pellets by the ton, they're $230/ton at Big R today. Unless they're on sale for $199. Which is either way less than your $288. Which is not an accurate number. Red Oak (the kind you get in Colorado) is 21 million BTU/cord, not 29. And you changed your tune from $800/cord to $750/1.3 cords to make your numbers better. At $800/cord, it's double the cost/BTU of pellets. At $750/1.3 or $576/cord, it's about 50% more for the oak.

    But if your math justifies your decision, have at it.
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    All that is if the oak is good and dry. Oak takes a good 2 years to dry. In my experience no other New England hardwood dries slower. I get a heck of a lot more red oak than white oak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    Buy pellets by the ton, they're $230/ton at Big R today. Unless they're on sale for $199. Which is either way less than your $288. Which is not an accurate number. Red Oak (the kind you get in Colorado) is 21 million BTU/cord, not 29. And you changed your tune from $800/cord to $750/1.3 cords to make your numbers better. At $800/cord, it's double the cost/BTU of pellets. At $750/1.3 or $576/cord, it's about 50% more for the oak.

    But if your math justifies your decision, have at it.
    Well, if I could buy pellets tax free, maybe I'd factor that into my decision. And they sell a bunch of different types of oak in CO. "The kind you get in Colorado"... You're hysterical.
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    That's why I bought a $100 cord from a bro this fall. The stuff I cut last year isn't ready. I can always stay ahead on pine/cedar/fir but I need to buy oak/almond here and there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    Well, if I could buy pellets tax free, maybe I'd factor that into my decision. And they sell a bunch of different types of oak in CO. "The kind you get in Colorado"... You're hysterical.
    Red Oak (or more correctly Gambel Oak) is the only kind that grows in Colorado. But if they're shipping you oak from Maine, maybe that's why you pay $800. Or why your talking sounds a lot like flatulence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    I forget what we paid for propane this year... $2.30/gallon or so.
    dang. by me in sierra western slope, it was between $1.55 to $1.89/gallon this summer and so far this fall.... and peeps complain that's high compared to recent past.

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    'bout the same in Sonora as Grass Valley. Seems about average compared to last few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    Red Oak is the only kind that grows in Colorado.
    And if you lived around here, you'd know that oak firewood is expensive because they truck it in from places where you can actually grow dense hard wood... like the kind your head is made out of.
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    I do "live around here". And the oak is not being shipped from the east coast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    I do "live around here". And the oak is not being shipped from the east coast.
    Most of it comes from Missouri. And yes, white oak is native to Missouri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by telemike View Post
    That's why I bought a $100 cord from a bro this fall. The stuff I cut last year isn't ready. I can always stay ahead on pine/cedar/fir but I need to buy oak/almond here and there.
    $100. that's great! i could use a cord of seasoned hardwood for something less than $250. we're pretty short of hardwood at my place for this winter. we should be set in a few years for a season or two. i have a little bit of split manzanita that is stacked and covered, and a couple dead manzanita sitting around the property (not sure about the moisture content) that i need to make a priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    Most of it comes from Missouri. And yes, white oak is native to Missouri.
    So, you're buying oak trucked to you from Missouri instead of buying Colorado oak because you get 29m BTU/cord instead of 21m BTU/cord? Good decision.
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    Perhaps we have found the root of why the wood costs $800/cord

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    ^^nice pun

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    Actually no. I am buying the wood that is more dense and burns long enough to heat the house overnight. The btu output is secondary. Have you not been following along here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    Actually no. I am buying the wood that is more dense and burns long enough to heat the house overnight. The btu output is secondary. Have you not been following along here?
    I have. You seem dumber and dumber as it goes along.

    I put 8 cords up this year for a total outlay of about $50. Won't stay burning all night, but that's why I have a pellet stove in the basement. I'll be $500 ahead of you when its said and done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    I have. You seem dumber and dumber as it goes along.

    I put 8 cords up this year for a total outlay of about $50. Won't stay burning all night, but that's why I have a pellet stove in the basement. I'll be $500 ahead of you when its said and done.
    You're following along, but you missed the whole discussion about the real total costs? Figures I guess. Maybe you can invest that $500 in some reading lessons. Or maybe some pellets for your pellet stove.
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    Oh I've been reading just fine. Like when you posted this:

    "There are btu/cord charts easily found online. Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you what the numbers are, but the midwestern hardwood doesn't seem very heavy or dense compared to what we used to have back home."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    $100. that's great! i could use a cord of seasoned hardwood for something less than $250. we're pretty short of hardwood at my place for this winter. we should be set in a few years for a season or two. i have a little bit of split manzanita that is stacked and covered, and a couple dead manzanita sitting around the property (not sure about the moisture content) that i need to make a priority.
    Do you have a saw and a truck? I know of some cheep or maybe free seasoned oak up in Colfax. I won't be able to get to it any time soon and my buddy wants it gone. He might have already made arrangements, but it might still be available.



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    Are you allergic to poison oak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrr View Post
    Oh I've been reading just fine. Like when you posted this:

    "There are btu/cord charts easily found online. Off the top of my head, I couldn't tell you what the numbers are, but the midwestern hardwood doesn't seem very heavy or dense compared to what we used to have back home."
    Don't know if that's actually true or not, but the oak from MO doesn't seem as heavy and dense as what we had back home... What does that have to do with anything?
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    He's equating weight/density to btu. Which you seemed to be implying too. And you seemed to say that MO wood had less weight/density and subsequently less btu. Blah blah blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by telemike View Post
    He's equating weight/density to btu. Which you seemed to be implying too. And you seemed to say that MO wood had less weight/density and subsequently less btu. Blah blah blah.
    Certainly didn't mean to imply that... I think red oak and lodgepole pine have about the same BTU rating, but the oak certainly burns a lot longer than the pine. Burn time and BTUs are two pretty different things. Related at some point I'm sure, but where exactly, I couldn't tell you. And I handle more wood in a season here than I did in a decade back home, so my recollection of it is probably not that accurate.
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    Maybe you're just still full of shit.

    You are claiming $288/ton, when the company you bought it from prices it at $380/ton.

    You're claiming it is from MO:

    "Thanks for asking about firewood. It is illegal to remove any hardwood firewood from the state of Missouri due to the presence of both state laws and the federal emerald ash borer quarantine, with a very specific exception for hardwood firewood that has been heat treated and packaged at a federally certified commercial kiln facility. My guess is that you are asking about private firewood- so the answer is definitely that you cannot legally move oak firewood from Missouri to Colorado. There is no permit that would make bringing untreated (regular, not commercially heat treated) oak firewood from Missouri to Colorado OK."

    But it makes total sense that you would be buying specially treated firewood from MO instead of locally available oak. Which you claim is white oak, and you buy it because it's hard and dense, but then say it's not as hard and dense as the oak you used to buy...which was white oak. If you absolutely have to have the MO oak, more power to you. Just don't claim it's comparable to pellet prices.

    BTW, you don't need to put up a wind turbine to run a pellet stove at night if you're off the grid. They have very good 12v systems.
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