Ski "feel" differences FKS/Pivot 14 vs. 18

[auvgeek]

I was waiting for a follow up email after I got this yesterday from Rossi:

Hi,

The illustration on line is misleading. The FKS 180 works off of a pivot where the whole toe piece moves. The FKS 140 has moveable toe wings only. Both bindings provide the same 180 degree multidirectional release, just in different ways. Also the FKS 180 has an all metal housing for the toe piece.

I hope that this help s you.

Thanks for your interest in Rossignol bindings.



Annie McMullen

After you posted this email, I sent one to Rossi myself asking for clarification. I got the following message, pretty much exactly the same one you got. Wish they could have provided a little more detail, but at least they're consistent.

Hi,

I spoke with one of our tech guys and he said that the illustration on line is misleading. The FKS 180 works off of a pivot where the whole toe piece moves. The FKS 140 has moveable toe wings only. Both bindings provide the same 180 degree multidirectional release, just in different ways. Also the FKS 180 has an all metal housing for the toe piece.

Hope this helps

Annie McMullen

[whyturn]

Got this response to my question to confirm upward release.

Yes, via the pivot.



Annie McMullen


To: info rossignol
Subject: RE: Rossignol FKS 140 & 180 toepiece differences



So just want to be sure I understand, the FKS 180 has an upward release?

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[auvgeek]

Thanks for the update.

No reason to pick the 140 except for the weight and cost. I'll stick with the metal toepiece personally.

[Flexon Phil]

Thanks for the update.

No reason to pick the 140 except for the weight and cost. I'll stick with the metal toepiece personally.

Shame they do not offer the 15/155 any more, they was the best combination of metal and DIN. In fact, both of these bindings should still be in their lineup...the 120 and 155



If Salomon can offer the Sth12, Sth14, Sth16 and Sth16 Steel, why cannot Look/Rossi offer the 120, 140, 155 and 180?

[auvgeek]

It looks like the 15 din and 18 din versions both start at 8? If so, what's the advantage of the 15 din?

[Ted Striker]

It looks like the 15 din and 18 din versions both start at 8? If so, what's the advantage of the 15 din?

Not sure of all the vintages, but both pair of my 15 DIN FKS (pivot toe and Geze toe) start at 6.

Both are all metal too.

[Flexon Phil]

Not sure of all the vintages, but both pair of my 15 DIN FKS (pivot toe and Geze toe) start at 6.

Both are all metal too.

And the 120 starts at 5.

I do have an older pair of RS turntables that are a 2-6 DIN. Interesting.

[XavierD]

They changed the 15 din toe to 8-15 when they went to the PX series.

[ulty_guy]

Bumping up an old one. I had an older pair of px15's that I wanted to use the toes of to match up w/ some p14 turntables. I then noticed the ramp angle difference as after a bit of searching, found this thread.

I tend to like the zero ramp of the p14, but want to p15/18 toe. Anyone know where to order or get the shim to level the p15/18 toe up?

[Spyderjon]

.....Anyone know where to order or get the shim to level the p15/18 toe up?

Dunno where you are but I've got them in stock in the UK & can post anywhere.

[ulty_guy]

Thanks Spyderjon, check pm.

[bsavery]

Shame they do not offer the 15/155 any more, they was the best combination of metal and DIN. In fact, both of these bindings should still be in their lineup...the 120 and 155



If Salomon can offer the Sth12, Sth14, Sth16 and Sth16 Steel, why cannot Look/Rossi offer the 120, 140, 155 and 180?

Yeah sucks how the 120 isn't offered now. How much lighter were those?

[slashy]

the 120 is +- 2000g. i have 2 pairs that i managed to pick up cheap about 3 years ago (120$ a pair NIB) . i'm 145lbs so they suit me fine. din on 9 or 10 depending on skis-mood-conditions. love the low weight. but the toepiece is not as bomber as the 15 or 18.

[bsavery]

the 120 is +- 2000g. i have 2 pairs that i managed to pick up cheap about 3 years ago (120$ a pair NIB) . i'm 145lbs so they suit me fine. din on 9 or 10 depending on skis-mood-conditions. love the low weight. but the toepiece is not as bomber as the 15 or 18.

Hmmm. fks 140 is 4.6lbs according to the internets, so not much saving there...

[slashy]

Hmmm. fks 140 is 4.6lbs according to the internets, so not much saving there...

yep less than 100g for sure. i just bought them because they were cheap @ the time and the resurrected new ones were quite expensive then. (i'm in europe)

[whyturn]

Having been skiing 18 more lately it feels like it helps bust through better. But it's heavier. Feels more solid

[Ted Striker]

Forgot about this thread, then I was cleaning out my subscriptions, and noticed the extra posts.

the 120 is +- 2000g. i have 2 pairs that i managed to pick up cheap about 3 years ago (120$ a pair NIB) . i'm 145lbs so they suit me fine. din on 9 or 10 depending on skis-mood-conditions. love the low weight. but the toepiece is not as bomber as the 15 or 18.

Hmmm. fks 140 is 4.6lbs according to the internets, so not much saving there...

Just to add to the thread content: the current 14 and the old FKS 12 are identical except for the spring. The original 12 AFD is different, but it's interchangeable with the current 14 AFD. Metal half-moons too.

[iscariot]

FKS 15... FTW.

[Hypnotoad]

The other day I saw a pivot 18 on a boutique ski (175ish) with the DIN cranked all the way down. I'm pretty sure it was because of this thread. I'll take the weight savings of the 14 over some abstract, completely subjective notion of skiability any day.

[Driver]

I know they really haven't changed, but have people still been breaking the PX toes pretty commonly? I skied axial2ti 14s for a few years once and didn't break a toe, but reading back to old horror stories in the archive has me thinking about the consensus 180s for new beloved boards.

[whyturn]

Part of what I like is the weight of the toe. It just adds some heft for breaking crud. Could just be me but made a difference on two pairs

[Ted Striker]

^^^ I agree. I have two old pair of 15s and I move them to whatever happens to be the burliest ski in my current arsenal.

And as many of us have mentioned in the 2015 rumors thread, bring back the 15 DIN! It's the exact same housing, with a lighter spring.

[regct]

2nd season on the 18's. Don't think I'll ever use another binding.

...but I could definitely get on board with a 15 if it has the solid metal toe.

[Ted Striker]

...but I could definitely get on board with a 15 if it has the solid metal toe.

Identical in every way, except the spring.

[Driver]

It's a lot more weight to me that I don't want unless the 14 toe pieces are still breaking a lot for people. Any have recent blow ups under reasonable circumstances?