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11-28-2012, 11:54 AM #1976spook Guest
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11-28-2012, 12:45 PM #1977
Yeah, the belly putter thing is classic misdirection. The governing bodies can act like tough guys over anchoring so the uneducated can believe they are "protecting the game" somehow. Meanwhile, a 5'9" Irishman is hitting 320 yard 3 woods.
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11-28-2012, 12:52 PM #1978
Kinda. After all, the equipment has always been improving- it's kind of odd, to me, to say there can't be more innovation in a certain area. But the belly putter isn't really "innovative," and having three points of contact with the body arguably changes the essential action of the sport (the swing itself) more than a 460cc driver does.
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11-28-2012, 12:59 PM #1979
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11-28-2012, 01:02 PM #1980
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11-28-2012, 01:06 PM #1981
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11-28-2012, 01:12 PM #1982
I'm having trouble envisioning what you mean by "anchored to my arm." "Anchored" pretty obviously means "fixed," as per the USGA's guidance. You may place the club shaft against your forearm, but you can't then lean your forearm against your side or any other body part to keep the forearm stationary.
http://espn.go.com/pdf/2012/1128/pga_puttrule.pdf
As for the long driver- I think there are a few factors that play into that rule, with constituencies for each. Golf course operators don't want their courses being rendered obsolete and golf fans (and TV producers) don't want tournaments turned into long drive competitions, which are boring. Those concerns are alongside the whole purity of the game bullshit.Last edited by Steven S. Dallas; 11-28-2012 at 01:22 PM.
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11-28-2012, 01:52 PM #1983
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11-28-2012, 02:09 PM #1984
I'm happy for the ban and whole heartedly agree with tiger. Every club needs to be swung.
Another problem I have with the belly putter is when I see these folks hit one in the hazard then use their belly putters to get an extra two feet of relief. I just wish it was more immediate."One season per year, the gods open the skies, and releases a white, fluffy, pillow on top of the most forbidding mountain landscapes, allowing people to travel over them with ease and relative abandonment of concern for safety. It's incredible."
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11-28-2012, 03:02 PM #1985
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11-28-2012, 03:08 PM #1986
It was a guess not an exact measurement, but, an extra footish x 2 clubs of relief? I'm thinking Carl Peterson more than Matt kuchar
"One season per year, the gods open the skies, and releases a white, fluffy, pillow on top of the most forbidding mountain landscapes, allowing people to travel over them with ease and relative abandonment of concern for safety. It's incredible."
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11-28-2012, 03:24 PM #1987
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11-28-2012, 04:43 PM #1988
jeez 4matic, are you a belly putterer or something?
I agree on the ball/driver thing - I'm only very slightly better than a bogey golfer and I can hit it 300yds with the driver.... jfost is really ignorant, he often just needs simple facts laid out for him...
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11-28-2012, 05:07 PM #1989
I do but I still suck at putting and is not why I think this is a misguided ruling. They've allowed it too long to make it a rule. How about that 14 y/o chinese kid that qualified for the Masters? It's all he's ever played with.
I'm using belly to hopefully improve my putting. Going back to conventional won't affect my game.
I like Collins take:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8682231Last edited by 4matic; 11-28-2012 at 05:20 PM.
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11-28-2012, 05:25 PM #1990
You are right. It should never have been allowed.
"One season per year, the gods open the skies, and releases a white, fluffy, pillow on top of the most forbidding mountain landscapes, allowing people to travel over them with ease and relative abandonment of concern for safety. It's incredible."
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11-28-2012, 05:52 PM #1991spook Guest
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11-28-2012, 06:30 PM #1992
The length of the driver isn't really an issue as the average tour player's driver is 44.5" My guess is there aren't that many guys playing long drivers because at 115mph swing speed you're going to get a bigger gains from by optimizing ball speed, launch angle and spin rate then simply picking up another 2-5 mph of clubhead speed by adding 2-3" on your driver. The LPGA tour players interestingly enough play MUCH longer drivers then the men because at their launch and spin rates they gain more yardage by increasing clubhead speed.For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was
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11-28-2012, 07:00 PM #1993
Chinese kid can use the belly putter at the next three masters if he wants .
If he can't figure out how to play by the rules in three years , tough luck .
The Collins guy needs to shut the fuck up , what a tool .
I'm sure fools like Collins would be all for a 1' diameter cup , no bunkers and no ob .
Then every hack could shoot 65 and the game would grow by leaps and bounds .
It's a game and the guy that shoots the best score by whatever rules are in place at the time wins , end of story .
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11-28-2012, 07:29 PM #1994
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11-28-2012, 09:26 PM #1995
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11-28-2012, 09:38 PM #1996
this is true, along w/ pace the crippling cost of course maintenance is killing golf. When even a short 9 costs $14-$20 and takes 2 hours to play, that's trouble. Along those lines, I love playing 9 holes on the big course - I feel like it is a perfect amount of golf for me and doesn't take all day. Wish that was more the standard and 18 reserved for tourny's only.
I wonder if we'll see real grass on the greens only in our lifetimes, if you only had to water/maintain 18 greens and had artificial fairways and tee boxes (might have to go real tees on par 3's) that would save thousands upon thousands per year. Will it happen???... jfost is really ignorant, he often just needs simple facts laid out for him...
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11-28-2012, 10:00 PM #1997
I think this ties into the pace of play issue- marshals aren't willing to put players on the clock because they don't want to lose clientele. The experience for frequent players at a course (who probably either know how to get a deal and are paying less, or are local and captive) is less important to management than that of the people paying full freight.
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11-28-2012, 10:07 PM #1998
Well said...the long putter is a rich man's tool and completely impractical to cart around for an everyday or traveling golfer - it isn't a tool for the masses or to "grow the game".
How many bogey golfers use a belly putter? how many people at a muni do you see with a fucking belly putter?"I do look like the Arrow shirt man, I did lace up my skates professionally, and I did do a fabulous job finishing my muffin."
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11-28-2012, 10:24 PM #1999
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11-28-2012, 11:33 PM #2000
I agree with him that many do not use one, you left out that part of his post.
It seems to be popular in swaths of communities, either a bunch of dudes start getting them, or not. California is not like many golf meccas like, ..... the Twin Cities HAHA!!). I saw a shit ton of long putters in IL, MI, MN, NY, FL ( of course), Vegas. Not so many here in Colorado, I saw fewer in more spread out areas.
If they nuke the long putter, good ridden, fuck anchoring unless you have an actual physical handicap.Terje was right.
"We're all kooks to somebody else." -Shelby Menzel
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