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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
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    As one of my buddy says: "We didn't come all this way to lay up, pussy."




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    If it's green, smoke it...if it's pink, poke it

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    Sometimes not laying up gets a better score. I had a partner in a 4 ball match play league for a few years who was a 18 HC and short off the tee. 4th hole at Webster West. 350 yd 4 par with a pond in front of the green. A layup leaves 120 to dry land, 140 to the green. Drop area is on the greenside of the pond. He'd lay up and then hit into the pond from 125. Every time. So I told him "Stop laying up. Hit your 2nd shot into the drink. Take a drop and save 1 stroke every time." Turned his 8's into 7's and 7's into 6's.

    Fun partner with a great attitude. The summer that his daughter was getting married the future son in law was indicted by the feds along with his father and brother in a mortgage scam the dad was running with his home building business. When I asked my partner why I hadn't gotten any wedding invite he said with a laugh "If you weren't indicted, you're not invited." The SIL got off, his brother and dad went to prison and it cost my partner a fortune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Sometimes not laying up gets a better score.
    It's all about the danger of the miss. If there isn't any trouble other than bunkers I'm going for it every time. If I could get in any trouble that could cost me a stroke I'm laying up to 100. Worst case from there is a par for me.

    Greenside bunkers don't scare me at all. Water from 250 does
    If it's green, smoke it...if it's pink, poke it

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    Quote Originally Posted by booner View Post
    It's all about the danger of the miss. If there isn't any trouble other than bunkers I'm going for it every time. If I could get in any trouble that could cost me a stroke I'm laying up to 100. Worst case from there is a par for me.

    Greenside bunkers don't scare me at all. Water from 250 does
    Plus, I carry a 5W and no 3W so if it's a long par 5 and I'm left with 275+, the risk of missing vs reward of still being short doesn't make any sense.
    If it's green, smoke it...if it's pink, poke it

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    it all depends on conditions eh?

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    Good for you. Makes sense. My partner was an 18 HC with a 125yd 7 iron. Maybe. My "Get it wet quick" advice lead to a lower score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    Interesting. I just ordered a used 913H 24 to test drive and hoping it complements the 19į that just works well for me.

    Kinda like washing the car, this order just generated a shift in the weather and we're now expecting over one to two feet of snow. You can thank me later this week.
    The snow arrived as did the club. The head is in very good shape and came with new grip & shaft. I was expecting a stiff shaft to complement my others vs this Tensei DK Series 70HY Flex-R. My irons (including the 4 &/or 5 being replaced) have Aldila Green NV Hybrid 105 MLTi Pro-S shafts. My 3-Wood & 19į Hybrid have Phenom HYB 80 2.5 S.

    How different will the Flex-R shaft be compared to my current array? I'm not trying to add more variables to my already inconsistent game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    The snow arrived as did the club. The head is in very good shape and came with new grip & shaft. I was expecting a stiff shaft to complement my others vs this Tensei DK Series 70HY Flex-R. My irons (including the 4 &/or 5 being replaced) have Aldila Green NV Hybrid 105 MLTi Pro-S shafts. My 3-Wood & 19į Hybrid have Phenom HYB 80 2.5 S.

    How different will the Flex-R shaft be compared to my current array? I'm not trying to add more variables to my already inconsistent game.
    If you're playing S flex shafts now and they seem good stay away from R flex. I always recommend going as stiff as your swing can handle. Stiffer = tighter dispersion

    One of the biggest shortcomings of the golf industry is only selling R and S flex as stock offerings. Most good, strong golfers belong in an X flex but don't know it because of what's marketed

    Golf shafts are so difficult to choose from. There's 100s of options out there and all perform so differently. It's all about experimenting and learning how specs relate to feel and performance (butt flex, tip flex, mid flex, torque, weight, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by booner View Post
    If you're playing S flex shafts now and they seem good stay away from R flex. I always recommend going as stiff as your swing can handle. Stiffer = tighter dispersion

    One of the biggest shortcomings of the golf industry is only selling R and S flex as stock offerings. Most good, strong golfers belong in an X flex but don't know it because of what's marketed

    Golf shafts are so difficult to choose from. There's 100s of options out there and all perform so differently. It's all about experimenting and learning how specs relate to feel and performance (butt flex, tip flex, mid flex, torque, weight, etc)
    Thanks. I was thinking that it was not going in the right direction using the R flex. (Maybe just temporarily to at least better understand the difference.) Now the quandary is whether to literally match the other hybrid & 3-wood shafts or the iron shafts? Are the off brand adapters fine or best to go OEM?
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    No idea about aftermarket adapters but probably fine.

    I'm a huge fan of Aldila shafts. I use Rogue Silver 125 msi 60tx in my driver and VS Proto 80x in my 5w, comboed with higher spin head. Rogue silver produces low spin bullets...similar to NV performance. I'm typically trying to hit a green with the 5w if I pull it out so I want higher flight with more spin for drop and stop

    Found these... VS proto has really nice feel...slightly higher spin/flight than the NV. NV is low spin/low flight

    Comparison of all 3 from the interwebs...The VS proto is a slightly higher launch than the NVS but it is far lower spin. It is a very tip stiff shaft with a soft butt. It has a lot more control than either the NVS or the NV

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F131882946304

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F142054577025

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    Fore! Who's playing golf, yo-

    I've been a 0-5 handicap forever and my tee to green game is excellent. R graphite shafts through the bag except wedges (just switched irons from R steel to graphite due to bad back). What is your swing speed and how much do you load the shaft? I don't load the shaft much because I have short backswing and don't turn that much...never have. The Titleist branded R shaft is pretty stiff unlike a Callaway but the labeling is moot. Shaft weight is just as important. I like my ball flight with shafts I use now although my irons do go a bit higher.

    Fwiw my fastest driver speed is about 104. Imo, you can get good ideas for regular amateur golf from what the LPGA players use. What's your driver distance?

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    My biggest frustration is consistency (ie 38 front, 46 back the other day with missed birdies and wheels falling off on the back). So for no other reason than 'reducing perceived variables' I think getting either the NV or Phenom makes sense. I'm reworking my set ups and swing path, because apparently I've been compensating for incorrect set ups (too left) which leads to variable directions and trajectories.

    Regarding flight, I get comments on a high flight compared to others. (Sometimes line drives.) For driver distance (at elevation and hilly golf course) frequently 250-260, often 280ish and once in a blue moon 300+. Driving is the most consistent part of my game. Usually straight, but plenty of fades, slices and hard left liners that go. For speed, I need to get back to you on that. Another gauge is 180ish with a 6 and often 220-230 with the 19į Hybrid. I like the feel of the Phenom on that hydrid and the NV on the irons when all the stars align and I swing and connect properly.
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    You have enough swing speed to justify a stiff shaft with those distances. Good luck.

    For example: Jin Young Ko average drive is 256. She uses shaft designed for 80mph speed. https://tptgolf.com/products/

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    Fore! Who's playing golf, yo-

    My swing speed is 100-105ish, I guess. The stiff shafts definitely feel more 'right' than my previous set of regulars.

    Thanks for all the insights. I need to spend more time on the range and focus more on the finer points, rhythm and consistency. Working on chipping definitely helps with approach shot confidence. Now I realize I have more likelihood of recoveries around missed greens and can relax.
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    I have a couple regular playing partners that start rounds well and fade every single round. Why? They donít have control of their swing and when they get just a little bit tired, as we all do, their swings unravel and they have no clue where the ball is going.

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    I'd bet they start losing it by pushing shots. Slice or push. Am l right?
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    I definitely fade off if I don't eat before and during a round. One friend says that 9 is too short, 18 is too long and 14 is about right......especially if you are playing behind sloths.
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    Playing with the over 70 crowd is see the fade about the 7th hole. IMO, late in the round dehydration effects the brain and legs get tired too. I generally try to aim a bit left as a fix. Used to be around the 15th hole, now it's at the turn.
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    No, their swings are crap to start with but they get by for a while on adjustments that get the face reasonably square. LOFT eventually takes over which is a Lack Of Fucking Talent.

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    No, sorry, you're full of shit. I play with a lot of people who haven't developed a good game and tell me how much fun it was to play with me. Talent comes from hitting 10,000 balls like you and I have been lucky to do. But this is TGR. Dick wavers abound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    No, sorry, you're full of shit. I play with a lot of people who haven't developed a good game and tell me how much fun it was to play with me. Talent comes from hitting 10,000 balls like you and I have been lucky to do. But this is TGR. Dick wavers abound.
    Iím not seeing your point. Iím telling you the reasons their swings donít hold up through the round is because they arenít fundamentally sound to start with. Not simply fatigue. The difference is, someone with a fundamentally sound swing can usually adjust to fatigue and problems whereas someone that doesnít just goes off the rails. It has nothing to do with whether the round was fun or if I enjoy their company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4matic View Post
    I’m not seeing your point. .
    Maybe because we are talking about different things? Agree that if you DO have a sound swing you will be less fatigued both physically and mentally and play better. If you DON'T have a sound swing and drink beer instead of water and play the wrong tees your game will go to shit. If I played with 4matic without a sound swing and try to keep up I'd probably blowup the back 9.

    Just saying that for years I've made the observation and adjusted to the fade at the end of a round.

    Walked 18 for the 1st time this year hooked up with a 7HC Sound swing and 7hc short game. He didn't drink water and pushed 3 of the last 4 tee shots and his approach to 18.

    I didn't keep score but had 2 birds and a few pars and only about 10 quality solid swings with a good follow through. Hit some on the range today and every one was sweet and pure and full. Working on getting my solid swing back cause my 70 yo legs are what they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Walked 18 for the 1st time this year hooked up with a 7HC Sound swing and 7hc short game. He didn't drink water and pushed 3 of the last 4 tee shots and his approach to 18.
    Didn't even think about the walking vs the cart factor since we walk all of the time. An 18 is on the order of 5 to 6 miles. More if you are zig zagging looking for balls.....we also have a couple hundred feet or more of vertical in eighteen. Sitting in a cart is a piece of cake by comparison.

    Getting PO'd after a a bad shot or two definitely snowballs on you as does fatigue. One bad hole from one bad shot or poor decision making can 'ruin' a round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post

    Getting PO'd after a a bad shot or two definitely snowballs on you as does fatigue. One bad hole from one bad shot or poor decision making can 'ruin' a round.
    Ha! When I was where you are at I was the same. When I was where you are I was playing with a older guy with a good game and after a bad shot and some bad words he called me over to him and said "Wolley, I've watched your game and you're not good enough to get mad". He made me realize every out burst cost me another shot someplace.

    Bobby Jones was the same and fixed it so we're in good company.
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