Is white glue for "woodworking crafts" good enough for a binding mount?

[BiggC]

Mounting up a pair of super S7s, already have holes in the right place, just want to make sure I use the right glue.

Is this stuff good enough, or should I go out and get some carpenter's glue?

[gregL]

The "right glue" and "good enough" are not necessarily the same. If it says "waterproof" on the package it is probably "good enough."

[F#*k you cat]

Search Jong

1. Marine Epoxy
2. Nothing
3. See number 1


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last wood glue. why would you purpousely insert water into a New Ski?

[Snow Dog]

Typical white wood glue isn't waterproof so it's not good enough. The purpose of the glue is to seal the hole and keep moisture out. Unless you strip the hole. Then use marine epoxy to glue the screw in place.

[el penoso]

Shops routinely use white wood glue. Its good enough.

[Art Shirk]

Rontele uses santorum

[toast2266]

It will make the mount stronger. Of course, that's only until you ski it, the glue gets cold and brittle, cracks, and lets moisture into your core, at which point you'll wish you used slow set epoxy or some other such adhesive that stays flexible while cold. On the upside, carpenters glue won't be any different, so of the options you listed, either one is fine.

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[TransplantedFromRMNP]

marine epoxy is what you should use

[BigLineSeeker]

The DPS mounting instructions suggest using Gorilla Glue. I used that on my last mount and it seems pretty bomber. You just need to ensure that you do not use too much because it does expand as it dries.

[jfost]

commonlaw FTW

potd.

[jon gaper]

Shops routinely use white wood glue. Its good enough.

Another good reason to DIY

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

No. White glue is no good.

[VTskibum]

Recently used Marine Goop this per some recommendations on this board. Too early to tell long-term, but was as easy to apply as wood glue, but is built for keeping water out.

Marine Goop
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...=SPM6541718002

Not quite epoxy strength from what I understand but still a good adhesive too.

[ACHTUNG]

Roo Glue

[XXX-er]

"Devcon, 3M, Hardman, Gorilla Glue, and Hysol make excellent two-part epoxies for the task. Gorilla Glue, Titebond Polyurethane, and Elmer’s Polyurethane are excellent one component adhesives. DO NOT USE CONVENTIONAL WOOD GLUE. Using conventional wood glue may void the warranty."

DPS is mainly saying don't use wood glue

PU glue is water seeking so if there is any moisture the glue seeks it out and thats where the bubbling happens, they even suggest wetting solid surfaces before gluing.

If you use too much PU glue it just spews out the threads onto your ski top ... they do not explode

[DropCliffsNotBombs]

Roo Glue

^^^^ Yes! ^^^^ Better than wood glue and epoxy. Just right!

[axebiker]

I've used "Carpenter Glue" with no issues. I prefer Titebond 3 these days for the waterproof applications. I also have been trying Marine Goop for Tele boards, as I have had issues with screws getting loose, and the Goop is more flexible, so unlike wood glue, it shouldnt "break". Time will tell.

I have yet to ever use epoxy on a ski mount.

[gregL]

Shops routinely use white wood glue. Its good enough.

Shop customers often ski only 6-10 days a year (or less) and not in the rain or late spring. They typically won't notice the difference over the life of the skis. Personally I go the epoxy route, something that cures in more than 5 minutes helps you get it all in the holes before it starts setting up.

[bbense]

I've used "Carpenter Glue" with no issues. I prefer Titebond 3 these days for the waterproof applications.

Titebond3 has failed eventually for me every time I've used it. Takes a couple seasons of wet Sierra snow, but it's not worked well for me. It may be because I'm a hack and don't get the holes/screws just right and leave a gap that titebond can't cover, but it's off my list...

[XXX-er]

Personally I go the epoxy route, something that cures in more than 5 minutes helps you get it all in the holes before it starts setting up.

IME slow set epoxy is WAY better/stronger than 5 min epoxy, I put some extra 5 min on the blade of a ww paddle just for kicks and it got soft/fell off pretty quick, I don't think 5min is water proof and usually if you got time to apply glue you got time to wait 24hrs

I do have some 5min but its in a emergency repair kit ... I wouldn't use it for normal repair work

hit the head of an epoxied screw with a hot soldering iron for 15 sec and the bond is broken

[GeezerSteve]

IME, screws with Titebond III get rusty, evidence that it does not create a waterproof bond and seal.

In the shop, I use slow set epoxy.

In my field repair kit I carry fast set epoxy (Hardman Double Bubble Red).

IME, polyurethane (PU) glues like Gorilla seem to create a waterproof seal. But I don't like the idea of bubbles (voids) so I don't use PU glue for ski mounts.

[axebiker]

IME, screws with Titebond III get rusty, evidence that it does not create a waterproof bond and seal.

Good to know! I'll keep an eye open for that.

[pfluffenmeister]

Recently used Marine Goop this per some recommendations on this board. Too early to tell long-term, but was as easy to apply as wood glue, but is built for keeping water out.

Marine Goop
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...=SPM6541718002

Not quite epoxy strength from what I understand but still a good adhesive too.

i too started using the goop after reading marshalolsen's glowing recommendation.
i'm going to be removing the bindings that were gooped soon, hopefully w/o incident.
anyone find it necessary to use a soldering iron when removing screws held in by Marine Goop?

[Jonathan S.]

What do we think about GE Silicone II Glue?

The official description reads:
*****
This is a premium glue for project repairs around the house.

ADDITIONAL FEATURES
Waterproof and airtight adhesion
Sun-/freeze-proof; won't crack or crumble
TYPICAL USES: General household repairs

ADHERES TO: tile, porcelain, glass, fiberglass, marble, wood, steel, aluminum, brick, mortar, concrete, and most plastics
*****
I saw it recommended in an old archived tech manual from Goode. (Given how notorious their skis are for binding pullouts, I'm not sure if that's a good sign or bad sign!)
Compared to Goop, the fumes are nowhere near as bad.
Compared to 3M Marine Epoxy, the tube can be used again (and without having to store it in the freezer).
Compared to various epoxies, don't need to heat up the screw to remove.
Compared to wood glue, not injecting water in the hole.
I used it in a test mount overnight, and then in couple mounts for real, and so far so good.

[jondrums]

this is a fun thread. I personally like to use a 24hr two-part epoxy. Lots of other things work great too. I feel the main function of any glue in a traditional ski mount is to seal the hole and keep melted snow (water) out. This is why lots of different glues work great.

Two types of glue DON'T work:
-non-waterproof glue (white elmers and some woodworking glue)
-brittle glue (superglue, 5-minute epoxy, ect)