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**Lindahl** · 01-12-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by powder11

Kye did not get "lucky". The kid will lap that line all day long and stomp it every time. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Most guys (or kids) that can ski that line will probably succeed around 6/10 or 7/10 times - too many variables going into it with that kind of hangtime and speed. Thats what I mean by rolling the dice. So yeah, I suppose not 'lucky' - a better way to phrase it would be that some of the other top tier competitors that hit that line got unlucky that they couldn't pull it through. That said, there's no way he'd be able to stomp that every time. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Choosing a line with that kind of success rate just doesn't impress me (though his talent does). Great that he pulled it off, but I'd rather see less rolling of dice, and more impressive skiing. If your talent can pull that line off 9/10 of the time and make it look good, I'd like to see it, but the way it went down? naww... I would have rather watched him ski something else and cleaner.

Much more fun to watch someone crank some big turns out of a clean stomp, and send a few others which such control and technique, rather than making some short controlled turns and pointing it over a big double, hoping it all lines up and you get through it without crashing, and then barely hanging on in the runout. But then again, some people think competitions should be all about pushing your limits, so I can understand why others would disagree and would prefer to see a roll-of-the-dice line chosen.

YMMV

**grskier** · 01-12-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lindahl

I also preferred Drew's run to everyone elses. He skied it so well. While Kye may have balls for that line, he didn't look anywhere near as clean and smooth, even through the runout. Enough guys hit that line, that at least one of them was going to luck out and make it out without a crash. It was Kye's day, but it was still just a dice roll (IMO) at the end of the day. The real talent is knowing what line you can ski well. That Guri kid's fall was insanely scary to watch. Holy shit.

I'd disagree with this... he slayed that line handily. Mostly skill, and whatever luck it takes to not tag a snake or something. He skied the hardest snow and one of the hardest lines (if not the) out of the top 3 guys... and threw a 3 to stomp with consequences below him.

Tabke's run was sick too, don't get me wrong. I guess it's a judged event and it's all up to opinion, but that's mine above.

**Lindahl** · 01-12-2012, 11:57 AM

I must have missed the 3. I'll watch his line again, but I'm pretty sure my opinion will be the same. I just recall it looking like he barely pulled it off throughout the entire run once he committed to the double (up and over that spine) - even through the runout, his fluidity, control and technique just seemed lacking compared to some of the other competiters.

**adam** · 01-12-2012, 12:19 PM

1. You missed the three?
2. A douche couldn't have made those stomps more clean
3. He won because it was by far the best run

**idiot** · 01-12-2012, 01:10 PM

off topic from the what line is the sweetest of the day.

didn't it seem that the conditions were pretty shitty given that the venue has been on hold for three strait weather days. those guys were fighting to stay on their feet out there.

**powder11** · 01-12-2012, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lindahl

Most guys (or kids) that can ski that line will probably succeed around 6/10 or 7/10 times - too many variables going into it with that kind of hangtime and speed. Thats what I mean by rolling the dice. So yeah, I suppose not 'lucky' - a better way to phrase it would be that some of the other top tier competitors that hit that line got unlucky that they couldn't pull it through. That said, there's no way he'd be able to stomp that every time. Sorry, I just don't buy it.

Choosing a line with that kind of success rate just doesn't impress me (though his talent does). Great that he pulled it off, but I'd rather see less rolling of dice, and more impressive skiing. If your talent can pull that line off 9/10 of the time and make it look good, I'd like to see it, but the way it went down? naww... I would have rather watched him ski something else and cleaner.

Much more fun to watch someone crank some big turns out of a clean stomp, and send a few others which such control and technique, rather than making some short controlled turns and pointing it over a big double, hoping it all lines up and you get through it without crashing, and then barely hanging on in the runout. But then again, some people think competitions should be all about pushing your limits, so I can understand why others would disagree and would prefer to see a roll-of-the-dice line chosen.

YMMV

obviously trolling for an argument or you're a fucking moron. either way, shut the fuck up.

**AlexC** · 01-12-2012, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by idiot

off topic from the what line is the sweetest of the day.

didn't it seem that the conditions were pretty shitty given that the venue has been on hold for three strait weather days. those guys were fighting to stay on their feet out there.

That face gets a lot of wind and ski patrol were doing avalanche control so I imagine that messed up the snow. Apparently the snow was much better to the skiers right of the venue.

**Lindahl** · 01-12-2012, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by powder11

obviously trolling for an argument or you're a fucking moron. either way, shut the fuck up.

Chill man. We have different points of view, get over it.

Originally Posted by AlexC

That face gets a lot of wind and ski patrol were doing avalanche control so I imagine that messed up the snow. Apparently the snow was much better to the skiers right of the venue.

You mean skiers left?

**AlexC** · 01-12-2012, 03:27 PM

I mean looker's right

**powdork** · 01-12-2012, 03:36 PM

The entire feed is now on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0fwn5zpQ0M

**fivefourtwo** · 01-12-2012, 04:18 PM

Fall at 6:00 was brutal.

**str8line** · 01-12-2012, 04:18 PM

I missed Coirer's run, but in my opinion White Allen and Salencon had the best runs. I actually would have scored Allen's run way higher than Kye's. Much stronger skiing IMO...super aggressive, tons of variety, some big stomped airs, and he looked supremely solid technically throughout. Salencon was similar. I think Kye's line choice was pretty cool but he basically sideslipped half his run and didn't look too confident. The 360 was cool, especially over exposure, but it was a small air so the slow speed dropped the risk a bit. Still an impressive run though and Kye is an amazing skier. I thought Drew's run and line choice was similar to Allen's(damn nice Drew!), but once again Allen was just on it so hard for his run. His run pretty much blew me away. What an amazing comp overall!

**Buster Highmen** · 01-12-2012, 04:21 PM

Sheesh. My armchair must not be as comfortable as any of yours.

**str8line** · 01-12-2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Sheesh. My armchair must not be as comfortable as any of yours.

Here ya go: http://www.la-z-boy.com

**Buster Highmen** · 01-12-2012, 04:38 PM

There is nothing on Ullrs snowy orb that will put me in a sufficiently sonamubulistic comfort to warrant dissing any of these people skiing.

**Tye 1on** · 01-12-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

There is nothing on Ullrs snowy orb that will put me in a sufficiently sonamubulistic comfort to warrant dissing any of these people skiing.

he's not. He's sorta dissing....the judging.

**Buster Highmen** · 01-12-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tye 1on

he's not. He's sorta dissing....the judging.

Which "he"? How many pages of commnetary do we have now?

Anyway hot snorts and all the love.

**wicked_sick** · 01-12-2012, 05:28 PM

I think Str8line has been in the judge's seat before.

**Lindahl** · 01-12-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by str8line

I actually would have scored Allen's run way higher than Kye's.

What were the individual final scores? All I saw were the totaled scores from both days? From the commentary, it sounded like they did score him higher for the finals run, but I didn't do the math, nor see the individual final day scores.

(and yeah, this is much more than just watching ski porn or armchair quarterbacking, to me, as I want to compete either this year or next - WITH powder cords

)

**Buster Highmen** · 01-12-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by wicked_sick

I think Str8line has been in the judge's seat before.

P00penhausen?

**powder11** · 01-12-2012, 08:19 PM

Oakley actually won that run, but did not make enough of the deficit to cover the overall. I like the way Oakley skied too and it was noticably more aggressive and smoother than the way Tabke skied it. Not taking anything away from any of those guys because it takes a big nut sac to go big on that face. I do think they could weed out some of the folks who looked like they were just surviving out there. Maybe only take the top 15 to the finals.

Anyone who says Kye got lucky really is either ignorant or just trying to stir shit up. The kid is a legit professional skier and represents the future of our sport.

**Atrain505** · 01-12-2012, 09:09 PM

Kye deserved that win hands down.
Best run of the first day.
2nd day the 3 over exposure was retarded. Most committed skiing by far. He skied the rest of the exposure more fluid than anyone else in that location.
Oakley definitely deserved the highest score of the day, but his run was much safer as well so not enough to make up the difference.
Rad skiing all around. Cheers to continuing that venue in the future!

**Lindahl** · 01-12-2012, 10:04 PM

Took a look again. I was confusing the drops from his first day run with the finals in terms of being lucky with the stomp/etc. Not sure how my brain played a trick with me on that, but I'll eat my crow.

The 3 being over exposure didn't really stand out in my mind. If you look at it again, it sure seems like there's a LOT of snow and room to recover, I wouldn't necessarily call that over exposure, given the large distance between the LZ and the next dangerous feature. But it's hard to say what kind of exposure you're looking at unless you're standing at the top.

However, I still stand by my opinion that technique, control and fluidity wasn't up there with Tabke and Oakley, as well as quite a few others. As far as Oakley versus Tabke's runs. Oakley definately charged harder, very fun to watch, while Tabke threw in a few more airs. Tough call. I liked Tabke's run a bit better, but you can easily make make a strong case for Oakley being the winner of that run.

powder11, I definitely consider Kye to be a legit professional skier - I was never questioning it one bit. I just don't think he displayed as good technique, control and fluidity as many of the other skiers. As for the first run, thats what was sticking in my head as a 6/10 or 7/10 success rate, barely hanging on, etc. Oops!

**str8line** · 01-12-2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Atrain505

Kye deserved that win hands down.
Best run of the first day.
2nd day the 3 over exposure was retarded. Most committed skiing by far. He skied the rest of the exposure more fluid than anyone else in that location.
Oakley definitely deserved the highest score of the day, but his run was much safer as well so not enough to make up the difference.
Rad skiing all around. Cheers to continuing that venue in the future!

Yeah, I agree. I just watched Kye, Drew and Oakley's runs again and it was even more impressive the second viewing. I liked the way Drew incorporated that last cliff area.

There was a lot of really impressive runs by several others, too. Such a burly venue.