We're definitely going to war again...

[Big Blue]

Did you see W's inaugural speech? All he talked about was our responsibility to bring freedom to the rest of the world. He might as well have ended with "Fuck you Iran. We're coming for you next!"

[Viva]

C.S. Lewis made an observation applicable to do-gooders everywhere, "Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

[Tippster]

Ummm... we're still at war...

[Big Blue]

Ummm... we're still at war...

What, the "war on terror"?

We are occupying Iraq. That means that the skirmishes that are going on there are "policing actions" not "war."

[Canuk]

C.S. Lewis made an observation applicable to do-gooders everywhere, "Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

wow...never thought a C.S. Lewis quote would end up here. Very interesting perspective that Mr. Lewis had - I can't say I disagree with him.

[lemon boy]

actually we're just one day gonna pack all our shit up in "East Texistan" and drive it across the border to "New Louiran."

Where we'll be greeted with flowers as liberators.

[dbp]

C.S. Lewis made an observation applicable to do-gooders everywhere...

That is one of my all time favorite Libertarian quotes.

[LAN]

I feel so bad for our young men and women over there. Getting roped into such a clusterfuck. Our VA's are gonna be full of crazies in about 5-10 years. Sad.

[Viva]

That is one of my all time favorite Libertarian quotes.

Yep, it's a dandy, ain't it?

[Telenater]

I feel so bad for our young men and women over there. Getting roped into such a clusterfuck. Our VA's are gonna be full of crazies in about 5-10 years. Sad.

I think you meant "fuller"....

The VA is already having difficulty meeting the needs (or as close as it comes to meeting them) of our veterans.

[ak_powder_monkey]

W. Claims the terrorist hate us because we're free or whatever they hate democracy or some bs like that. I'm going with what ossama said, he wants the US to stop supporting isreal (wich might be smart, thats a whole nother discussion though) and he wants muslim controll of spain, not to destroy America, how do I know this? Because thats what he said.


Come you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

[runethechamp]

Was just thinking about that song. A true classic... Some of the strongest lyrics ever I think.

[shamrockpow]

More quotes of note:
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

[runethechamp]

More quotes of note:
“Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

-Hermann Goering

[StroupSkier]

C.S. Lewis made an observation applicable to do-gooders everywhere, "Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

Which book is this from?

[The Reverend Floater]

Yeah, AKPM! Classic tune. If you've never heard it performed by Eddy Vedder, download it today. He dials it.

[basom]

If you've never heard it performed by Eddy Vedder, download it today. He dials it.

watch it, you are dangerously close to my bubble.

[runethechamp]

Now he's really stepped over to the dark side.

[watersnowdirt]

Not sure if anyone listened to Talk of the Nation this morning on NPR. They were asking both Repubs and Dems how they were recognizing the inauguration.

A guy called in on the Republican line (they had separate lines set up) and began talking about how much he despised "Liberal Hate" and how the Liberals needed to finally learn Conservative "Values" and that liberals were welcome into their churches. He talked about Bush's "mandate" and that that Bush didn't need to "pretend" any longer.

It was perhaps the single most frightening bit of dialogue I've heard in a while. What the hell is happening to our country??

[The Reverend Floater]

Barbara <=== So much hotter than Jenna

[The Reverend Floater]

watch it, you are dangerously close to my bubble.

I can smell the wine on Eddy's breath.

[Stu Gotz]

Jenna <==== So much kinkier than Barbara.

[basom]

I can smell the wine on Eddy's breath.

[The Reverend Floater]

Actually, Mr. Gotz, I've found that it's the quiet, shy, intellectual lady who's the rowdy, tear-your-sheets and bruise your chest rodeo freak.

Feel free to rebuke my claim.

[runethechamp]

Actually, Mr. Gotz, I've found that it's the quiet, shy, intellectual lady who's the rowdy, tear-your-sheets and bruise your chest rodeo freak.

Always