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    Review : Dynastar Legend Pro 105 184cm.

    So here is a long and winding review..



    In short, sold my Elan1010s, one of my fav skis. Reason, they were a perfect allarounder, good at everything but at hard&mixed snow that we have a lot in scandiland and alps, I wished a bit narrower skis for even better edgehold & hauling ass. The tail on the elans were a bit hooky on certain kind of snow wich made it a bit stressful to ride as well in those conditions...wich we get all the time...
    So when heard that the LPs are coming back, in 105mm width and as stiff as before, well hell, things got easy after that!





    Me: Weigh : 73kg (160lbs)
    Height: 180cm (5´10?)
    How many days a year: Tourist, 70-90
    Previous ski that you liked: im103s (183),explosiv(180),LPs (186,176 with dynas), Amplid CholestroneRCs(184), Elan1010s
    Previous ski you did not like: K2 (seths,obsethed,pontoons),rossi BCs,armada arv´s

    Skis: Dynastar Legend Pro Aurelien Ducroz

    Length: 184cm (true to length,tip to tail closer to 190cm,skis long)
    Tip width: 132mm
    Waist: 105mm
    Tail: 122mm
    Weight in this length: A Lot.
    Sidecut :25m
    Boots used: pimped BD Quadrants (booster,intuitions & nordica shims)
    Bindings used: Dukes

    Stiffness: STIFF. Feels stiffer than my shot 103s, stiffer than 1010s.
    How many days on the skis: 9
    Resort or backcountry: Both
    Geographical region: Alps
    Tell us about the terrain you ski: About everything.
    Workmanship : Very good and solid.





    In short I like traditional skis more than the newer gen skis (JJs,S7s etc.). Dont know why, for me they just feel more "directional", "logical" and "predictable". Have skied a bit of the new skis in the last 2 years but not much, and definately not in the optimal conditions, so that makes me a bit biased.
    As I was looking for a allarounder, travel ski that could haul ass AND still be skiable on the steeps other euro weirdness the 105 was about the top option.
    Other options were :

    -Kästle fx104 (Expensive & couldnt find it anywhere)
    -Cocheese(too much rocker on both ends, for my liking,nerver tried though)
    -Kästle BMX 107 (too much soft snow oriented)




    First Impressions: Wow. Heavy. Stiffish. The colors...ooh...wheres the unicorns? Solid workmanship but the wooden sidewalls looked a bit dodgy so I treated them with liquid silicone.
    Mounted dukes on them on the line. Hmm,mount looks faaaaaar back, that could be good...or bad... Do want skis.



    Days 1-4: Oh wow. A lot of tip! Feels like...whoa!

    The conditions in the italian alps were dire in the first couple of days. Spring time condiotions on midday but bullet proof in the mornings and things started to crust up in the afternoon.
    When I say that the were fucking brutal, they were. Frozen sastrugi, blue ice, icy chicken heads, raincrust with mank below, transparent avalanche debris...
    Imagine east coast after a two week freeze thaw cycle,that is.

    From the first run on a slope the skis showed what they are : LPs.Pure and simple. Like GS skis when you wanted but released from the rail with a flick of ankle. But they also lent them to a short slide turns and long slarve turns with aplomb. The next few runs were of the slopes on some super mixed hard snow. Now they showed their REAL teeth.
    What a fucking handfull! In slower slash,slarve type of turns they were easy to ski but you had to pay attention but when opening up you REALLY had to stay on the top of the game. And on top of the skis. The tips are so long that there is practically no possibility of chilling out but you have to on the front, having the pressure on the tips. Otherwise, wham, in the backseat.

    As I have had the im103s and explosivs I kind of knew the game, but the 105s felt much more demanding and stiffer. But when you got on top of them they are easily the most predictable ski I have ever been on: no chatter, no nervousness, no hookiness. Just Go.
    On ice they released the tail in a predictable manner, no hookiness in tip and the edgehold, well, phenomenal. On breakable windcrust the same.
    On corn/windblown spots they turned themself into a blissfully easy ski, where you could relax a bit and let the skis run. And when you started to hammer them and go mach schnell, they just seemed to find the 7th and 8th gear.
    Like charlie sheen : Just one speed = Go.

    After the first days I was duly impressed & and astonished : All the reviews said that theese skis are a bit "neutered compared to old LPs" and "easy to ski in any snow".
    NO. They are not. At least for me they are much more merciless and demanding ski that I have everskied.
    They give everything back that you give to them but you have to give them a LOT.




    Days 4-9:Ok,so after the few days we started to get some snow. From 20cm of windblown to 60cm of upside down pow to whatever.

    In the 10-20cm of snow area the ski was super easy to ski, just like in all the reviews. The ski behaved like a Audi A6 RS. Comfy ride but when stepped on the pedal, it was like the comp ski that it is...again. You could go from jump turns, to slarves, to stupid fast within few seconds and the skis were in their element all the time. No hesitation, no nervousness, no surprises.
    In the funkier breakable crust the ski did well when you got up to speed, but in slow speeds/jumpturns the looooong tip and lack of tiprocker made the ski really a handfull.
    Not dificult but again, you had work it.

    When it got deeper to the 40-60cm of real upside down pow...hmmm.... Well, I had to resort to the 80s style : Feet together & windshield wiper turns. The skis started to behave like the old im103s here. Read, bottomfeeders.Ok, the snow was super difficult, some guy with pontoons dove his tips & strugles as did everybody else. So, I cant say anything how they would perform in some good quality deep pow.
    But the stiffish tip with the rocker....bwaaah! Fuck it, the ads might say they have rocker but they have none. Not even splay on my skis. 10mm camber per ski and thats it.
    I can see that there is some idea of splay but nothing is there. When the snow is supportive and stiffish, the tip starts to plan, but otherwise is seems to want to go straight.
    The weird thing though is that on crusty/breakable the tips behaved well though, so no unexpected tip dives.

    After few windy days the snow was again a mix of windbuff, crust,mank,corn,chalk and whatver. From 5cm to knee deep. NOW we started talking!
    As long as the ski has something under it to take support from, it is a Beast. Like a WRC ralley car. Absolutely amazing handling, no speed limit and stops on a dime.
    When the base disappears, the ski suddenly starts to be effortless to ski again.




    Verdict: A comp ski. Period. All about GO. A+.

    The ski rewards balls to the wall ,technical and brute force kind of skiing. Yes, it in good conditions it can be skied very effortlesly but when the snow gets tricky, the ski will eat you alive unless you give 100%. A real Old School ski in that sense, people who loved explosivs, 103s or the like will instantly feel at home but skiers that love the the dps112s & s7s will probably hate the skis. When I read the first reviews of the skis I for a second contemplated the 192cm versions and thank god I didnt get them... I am in quite a good shape, love this kind of skis but for me the 192s would have been waaay to much. My weight has something to do with it i think, as I feel that even with a full pack (10kg) I am nowhere near the limits of the 184s and will never be.The other point is the mounting : It is really far back. Otherwise it is perfect but in crust+jump turns you REALLY feel that you have a lot of tip to swing around. Not a big problem but I think I personally could have gone forward +1 to +2cm easily, without sacrificing other characteristics too much.
    One thing that should be done is detuning the tips,about 15-20cm and tails a bit as well. They were sharp as knife and on hard/crust they could do some weird stuff and kind of catch another.

    Is it perfect? No, I think the ski could have used a bit more splay in the tip. Not rocker,no thanks, but a bit more pronounced splay. Now,at least on my pair, there is none. As the mounting point is so far back, it would make the ski a bit more manouverable at jump turns in bad snow.





    Edited: will do some editing as the review seems like it has been written under fever...witch is has...
    Last edited by Meathelmet; 01-05-2012 at 03:02 PM.

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    Thanks for the lengthy and detailed review, Meat, it echoes much of what I feel about the LP 115 - especially the part about needing a bit more rise in the tip. If anything, it looks like the 105 has a little more camber and less tip rise . . .

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    Sweet review, Meat! Stoked to get on mine some time soon. I did get the 192s, and they do have a semblance of a tip rocker, but it´s definitely not long, maybe 25cm from the tip?

    And I agree, the mounting point looks pretty far back. Did you measure to find out? Measured on the 192s, and it was at 82cm straight from the tail.

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    Your statment about glad you did not get the 192 may be a bit missguided.

    I had the original 186 LP's and traded up the 194's (I still have em)
    The flex is the same for both but because the 194 is LOONGER the ski is more supple. Actualy much eaiser to ski.

    This might be true for the your 105's with the flex patern a 184 could be a bit (Planky) where the 192 would be JUST RIGHT
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    Quote Originally Posted by arild View Post
    Sweet review, Meat! Stoked to get on mine some time soon. I did get the 192s, and they do have a semblance of a tip rocker, but it´s definitely not long, maybe 25cm from the tip?

    And I agree, the mounting point looks pretty far back. Did you measure to find out? Measured on the 192s, and it was at 82cm straight from the tail.
    I have on the line, wich is 104cm from the tip, wich makes 80cm from tail or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    Your statment about glad you did not get the 192 may be a bit missguided.

    I had the original 186 LP's and traded up the 194's (I still have em)
    The flex is the same for both but because the 194 is LOONGER the ski is more supple. Actualy much eaiser to ski.

    This might be true for the your 105's with the flex patern a 184 could be a bit (Planky) where the 192 would be JUST RIGHT
    Umm. No.
    Absolutely,100%,no. The sticks would be just too much for the stuff I do. If I would be fit-as-fuck pure competition skier (alka,eldo?) ,perhaps. But for me, no.
    Did one line with the skis, skinned from 3200m to 3900m and the 2000m descent was chalk,jumpturns,ice, straighlines,hockeystops etc. Trying to bring around the skis all day long in
    variable conditions would be pure hell for me as I dont have the mass...or skilz...

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