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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    That type of Socialist-Speak will get you NOWHERE, mister. This is Montana we're talkin' 'bout...
    This is what happens when I don't have enough whiskey at lunch on wanker Wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    ^^ excellent article.

    I have long suspected this. But it is nice to see that someone else sees what I see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Talisman View Post
    This reminds me of our lively chairlift conversation about development planning and water in this part of Gallatin/Madison County. Right now the growth may get contained by the limited supply of drinking water on the mountain, but longer term Big Sky needs a real government to manage how taxes are spent and be accountable for results. With no elected government it will be hard to develop area plans to counter balance growth with wildlife corridors, transportation routes, community bike paths and recreation infrastructure beyond skiing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain View Post
    Payoffs, kickbacks, it's all part of doing business up in the club. Oh, did I say that out loud?
    Not like that is anything new, where is Timmy B these days.
    Ooof!

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    I don't know if I know Timmy B, but I got along pretty well with Mike in our interactions.

    Skiing was great up in BS today, legs are toast. Still going to hit BB tomorrow if it gets fresh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Last known sighting of Swimmy.
    First, we were late getting to the mtn. Lame.

    When I saw you, we were on our first chair and had a bit of powder fever. We immediately jumped right in and figured we'd catch up at some point. Kind of ended up all over the place after that and our paths never crossed again.

    Fingers crossed more is coming tonight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brutah View Post
    headed to Bozeman tomorrow to visit my brother. He'll be working on friday so I've got the day to myself. I have an ikon and will be skiing Big Sky if anyone cares to join or show a big sky newb the lay of the ground.
    I should be out Friday, PM me.

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    Considering coming down for a couple of hours. Bought some new boots and want to see how they wear.

    Talisman, what time are you getting rolling?

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    Will be skiing Saturday with friends from Maine. Shes still a strong skier he is a Blue/green kinda guy. We will be mostly groomer skiing.

    Weird day yesterday, freezing drizzle to 9600' and poor visibility. Good snow.
    Ooof!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swimmy View Post
    Talisman, what time are you getting rolling?
    I should be around the base at 10:00 AM or so. Hopefully visibility will be better today as the drizzle frozen to google lenses was tough to see through.

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    I was talking with a buddy of mine about skiing steep terrain and he was throwing out numbers like "50 degree incline." I was curious if there were any scientific, measured slopes of any of the named lines in the Big Sky headwaters area. I honestly don't have much of an internal inclinometer in me. I figure if it feels steep, it's going to be between 40-45 degrees. Not sure if I've skied anything steeper than that, at least for any real distance.
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    Two things that skiers are notorious for bullshitting about: the steepness of lines they've skied, and how much human powered vertical they ski in a given day.

    To get an accurate impression, subtract 10 degrees from the former, and multiply the latter claim by 0.6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RTR View Post
    I was talking with a buddy of mine about skiing steep terrain and he was throwing out numbers like "50 degree incline." I was curious if there were any scientific, measured slopes of any of the named lines in the Big Sky headwaters area. I honestly don't have much of an internal inclinometer in me. I figure if it feels steep, it's going to be between 40-45 degrees. Not sure if I've skied anything steeper than that, at least for any real distance.
    Ski patrol has a book they reference when doing avalanche control work that includes degree angles for all the steeper stuff at Big Sky, both named runs and informally named lines that aren't on the trail map but could slide onto other runs. I've looked through it, it's pretty interesting. I assume they actually measured the slopes since they are using the information when making decisions about snow safety.

    As I recall, in the Headwaters, most runs are in the 42-45 degree range, and some of the rollover/constrictions probably tip the scale at maybe 47-48 degrees, maybe up to almost 50 in Jack Creek? The top of the Big Couloir is supposedly almost 50 degrees (if you drop directly off the cornice), then the slope kicks back to about 45-47 through the upper half, then the bottom half is around 43-45. Supposedly the steepest named run on the trail map is Castro's, which through the rollover is about 50+ degrees, I think.

    These are kind of guesses because it's been years since I looked at that book. If anybody knows the real numbers, I'd be curious to hear how far off I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    Ski patrol has a book they reference when doing avalanche control work that includes degree angles for all the steeper stuff at Big Sky, both named runs and informally named lines that aren't on the trail map but could slide onto other runs. I've looked through it, it's pretty interesting. I assume they actually measured the slopes since they are using the information when making decisions about snow safety.

    As I recall, in the Headwaters, most runs are in the 42-45 degree range, and some of the rollover/constrictions probably tip the scale at maybe 47-48 degrees, maybe up to almost 50 in Jack Creek? The top of the Big Couloir is supposedly almost 50 degrees (if you drop directly off the cornice), then the slope kicks back to about 45-47 through the upper half, then the bottom half is around 43-45. Supposedly the steepest named run on the trail map is Castro's, which through the rollover is about 50+ degrees, I think.

    These are kind of guesses because it's been years since I looked at that book. If anybody knows the real numbers, I'd be curious to hear how far off I am.
    Start zones angles
    Couloir is 47-50
    38-44 around Lenin/Castros area and Dictators
    Jack Rock 38-50
    3 Forks 44-54



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    Regct do you know if those are measurement of the snow surface or the rock underneath?

    I think most would agree that slope angles change as the depth of snow changes.

    FWIW the steepest thing I think ever skied at Big Sky was the rollover from Castro's Face, that was when the tram opened in 95/96 and everything was fully covered. That or what is now called Donkey Slot (formerly Duck Shot) in the late spring of I think was 96/97 when we stayed open weekends until Memorial day and it was fully filled in.

    I have never felt the need to try the Little Cooler.

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    Ooof!

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    ^^Yah that's the pitch that is supposed to tip 50 degrees on Castro's, although I've never seen those rocks you point to fully covered, and usually I ski it slightly looker's left of the arrow. It does seem steep to me, but I personally feel like the Jack Creek constriction feels steeper. Could be other variables at play, i.e. the slope below that Castro's pitch opens up and for me that lessens the perceived exposure/angle, whereas in Jack Creek I was on firm snow with more slide-for-life potential and that may have heightened my perception of the angle/exposure. But to me that one spot in Jack seems like the steepest angle I've skied on Lone Peak. (And I have no intention of doing the Little either at this point in my life, although I would really like to stand at the top and look down it on a good year and then make the decision.)

    I have yet to ski the Gum Wall--Trident and Orbit are on the list for this year if conditions are favorable. To me Trident looks pretty steep, I'd be curious to know what the angle is.

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    2012 SW Montana Conditions, Stoke and Whatev Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    Regct do you know if those are measurement of the snow surface or the rock underneath?

    I think most would agree that slope angles change as the depth of snow changes.

    FWIW the steepest thing I think ever skied at Big Sky was the rollover from Castro's Face, that was when the tram opened in 95/96 and everything was fully covered. That or what is now called Donkey Slot (formerly Duck Shot) in the late spring of I think was 96/97 when we stayed open weekends until Memorial day and it was fully filled in.

    I have never felt the need to try the Little Cooler.

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    Bunion thats a good question. Iíll ask someone.

    Not sure what the little couloir is but its definitely the steepest slope Iíve ever skied and I havenít skied any other line on lone mountain that feels like it even comes close.

    EDIT: Little is ~50 degrees

    Lenin Roller itself is really steep. Not sure of that slope angle.

    Gum wall ranges from ~36-46 degrees. my fav zone on the mtn. Not that anyone cares




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    Quote Originally Posted by regct View Post
    Start zones angles
    Couloir is 47-50
    Every time I look up at the Couloir I think of Bunion and two other patrolers climbing up in winter.

    In other news the snow predicted to start this afternoon has arrived. Update from Harry at 6:00 AM tomorrow....

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    EDIT: Little is ~50 degrees with a high consequence exposure combined with usually shitty snow and often some rocky 1st few turns
    FIFY

    I personally feel like the Jack Creek constriction feels steeper.
    yeah that 2-3 turns you must make to get through makes it especially attention grabbing.
    Ooof!

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    2012 SW Montana Conditions, Stoke and Whatev Thread

    ^pretty shitty!

    Also, ďturnsĒ.

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    Awesome day shredding with maggots. We ran a train on HW. 3 fantastic hikes. 4th class > Whitetail, Jack>Rock, 3 forks. Nice little Friday.

    Edit to add: NSSF slid HUUUUGE today. Crown looked 15'+ from six shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian View Post
    Awesome day shredding with maggots. We ran a train on HW. 3 fantastic hikes. 4th class > Whitetail, Jack>Rock, 3 forks. Nice little Friday.

    Edit to add: NSSF slid HUUUUGE today. Crown looked 15'+ from six shooter.
    Word. Post pics of the day if you have them. And avy pron, too.
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    Tough day for pics. Got one decent one of Brutah above the traverse in lower 4th class.

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    Hard to see but this is the crown from six shooter.

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    Didn't get any good ones of Luke (I think that's his name?!....sorry i'm permafried) because he was just ripping too fucking hard.

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    ^^Fuuuckk. Looks like we won't be skiing the snowfield anytime soon..

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    Woah! That crown is Yuuudge!

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    Hooooly shit that crown is monstrous. 🤯

    WRG, sounds like a great time with fast skiers! Thanks for sharing
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