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  1. #12201
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    Definitely has that look, might be a combination of slide activity and moisture regime creating the veg shift. Particularly on the eastern edge, west edge has an abrupt grade change. Now I'm curious to check it out sans snow.
    They both also have decent sized 35-45 degree slopes towards the top of the ridge which probably can go big in deep snow years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastybroski View Post
    They both also have decent sized 35-45 degree slopes towards the top of the ridge which probably can go big in deep snow years.
    Likely wind loading too, and runouts in stream corridors aren't unusual. I just don't think a lot of weight can be placed on the veg imagery as a predictor without a first hand look in this particular location. I'm sure someone on here has spent enough time there to chime in, it's a popular spot for locals..

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    Likely wind loading too, and runouts in stream corridors aren't unusual. I just don't think a lot of weight can be placed on the veg imagery as a predictor without a first hand look in this particular location. I'm sure someone on here has spent enough time there to chime in, it's a popular spot for locals..
    It's a fun discussion at least. I am sure the snowpack is extremely touchy like colorado. This is only my third year in the backcountry so I enjoy annoying all of you with my thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastybroski View Post
    I'll delete these photos in a couple of hours. Are you talking about the green/yellow (I fucked up my colors between photos) area all the way in? I am pretty sure red and blue are slide paths.

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    OK, thanks for refreshing my memory on that.

    By Upper and Lower I was referring to what you have as inside the red and yellow/green circles.

    I have never skied what you have cirlced in blue -- the blue zone was what I was referring to when I said you have to scoot around a steeper slope to get to the upper area.

    It's been several years since I was there, but the last time I followed what you basically highlighted as a skin track I found a lot of downed timber in the areas roughly between your first and third switchback. Maybe it's changed since then? Or maybe I there when the snow level was low? Anyway, 95% of the skiing that gets done in Stonewall is in that red cirlced area. Ascend in the red circle and ski that, or traverse the blue zone to get to the yellow/green, then return the way you came -- don't ski out the red skin line.

    As far as slide potential, I guess it could? Is the yellow 30, the red 35, and the purple 40? Not to say a slide won't happen, but in the pantheon of good places to ski, Stonewall ranks as one of the safer spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud cult View Post
    OK, thanks for refreshing my memory on that.

    By Upper and Lower I was referring to what you have as inside the red and yellow/green circles.

    I have never skied what you have cirlced in blue -- the blue zone was what I was referring to when I said you have to scoot around a steeper slope to get to the upper area.

    It's been several years since I was there, but the last time I followed what you basically highlighted as a skin track I found a lot of downed timber in the areas roughly between your first and third switchback. Maybe it's changed since then? Or maybe I there when the snow level was low? Anyway, 95% of the skiing that gets done in Stonewall is in that red cirlced area. Ascend in the red circle and ski that, or traverse the blue zone to get to the yellow/green, then return the way you came -- don't ski out the red skin line.

    As far as slide potential, I guess it could? Is the yellow 30, the red 35, and the purple 40? Not to say a slide won't happen, but in the pantheon of good places to ski, Stonewall ranks as one of the safer spots.
    Awesome info, that seems like a really good spot. The color scale is pretty close, yellow is 27-29, red is 35-45 and purple is 45+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastybroski View Post
    It's a fun discussion at least. I am sure the snowpack is extremely touchy like colorado. This is only my third year in the backcountry so I enjoy annoying all of you with my thoughts.
    I don't find it annoying, it's good discussion!

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    stonewall is where you want to go

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    Pics are gone but that general area can and does slide, occasionally bigly. I have skied back down the skintrack up the finger ridge more than once...
    Why must I feel like that, why must I chase the cat?
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    From random gpx tracks found on the webs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryFunk View Post
    Pics are gone but that general area can and does slide, occasionally bigly. I have skied back down the skintrack up the finger ridge more than once...
    That's okay, I saved them, ha. If anyone wants them down I can pull them, but it's not like some super secret spot, this is good discussion, and it's good to get the perspective of people that have actually skied there.

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    A couple years ago t he entire
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    ... north path in the red zone slid and the debris slid past the flat at the bottom onto the slope down to the creek ...
    Why must I feel like that, why must I chase the cat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    Agreed, Curtis is awesome. Good at what he does and a passionate skier.
    Yeah he is passionate--according to his posts he's on like 48 or 56 months in a row of skiing or something like that. He was wearing bear spray in that clip linked above, but the other day he posted a video skiing with a .45 holstered on his waist. I think it was partly for the humor, but no doubt there are a lot of griz up in that area and they are still awake.

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    The skintrack i was talking about is the one shown in the GPS track ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    Yeah he is passionate--according to his posts he's on like 48 or 56 months in a row of skiing or something like that. He was wearing bear spray in that clip linked above, but the other day he posted a video skiing with a .45 holstered on his waist. I think it was partly for the humor, but no doubt there are a lot of griz up in that area and they are still awake.
    You can just watch him get excited and enthusiastic about big snow, I guess his number of months explains why! I have a 10mm with a chest harness that I have skied with when in bear country. Prefer spray, but I like the gun as a backup option if 25mph winds are hitting me in the face. (And hey everyone, let's please not get into whether the caliber choice is effective or not against griz!)

    Quote Originally Posted by CountryFunk View Post
    The skintrack i was talking about is the one shown in the GPS track ...
    Good info, thank you, East2West, and cloud cult for the info. Don't know why, just haven't ever skied that. Had a trip planned a few years back when I hadn't lived here long but had a work trip come up and had to bail.


    And toastybroski, this ain't Wolf Creek Pass, CO (for now.....), welcome to MT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    You can just watch him get excited and enthusiastic about big snow, I guess his number of months explains why! I have a 10mm with a chest harness that I have skied with when in bear country. Prefer spray, but I like the gun as a backup option if 25mph winds are hitting me in the face.

    Good info, thank you, East2West, and cloud cult for the info. Don't know why, just haven't ever skied that. Had a trip planned a few years back when I hadn't lived here long but had a work trip come up and had to bail.
    A 4 inch 629 was on my list of buys when I moved here but I reluctantly got a garmin inreach instead. I have a lot of guns but nothing good for bears. I need to trade my 357 rossi 92 for a 44mag one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toastybroski View Post
    A 4 inch 629 was on my list of buys when I moved here but I reluctantly got a garmin inreach instead. I have a lot of guns but nothing good for bears. I need to trade my 357 rossi 92 for a 44mag one.

    Anyone have any non-crosscountry gpx tracks from stemple while I am feeling lucky?
    I've got the Garmin Inreach mini. If I absolutely HAD to choose over having one or the other, I would keep the inreach, love having that thing as a security backup.

    I've toured south of Stemple several miles on the FS road but never north of the main road, so not much help. I was only charging for distance planning a multi day ski tour so wanted to scout the CDT/road (I bailed on the actual tour partway due to extreme round of rain, sticky snow, exhaustion, was knocking snow off my bindings/skis/boots every 50 yards or so by smacking against trees, lol). Still would like to do that tour (Mac Pass to Stemple someday).

    Encountered fresh wolverine tracks a few years ago which was really cool. There is a fire tower (Granite Butte) that can be rented there, even in the winter I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3PinGrin View Post
    I've got the Garmin Inreach mini. If I absolutely HAD to choose over having one or the other, I would keep the inreach, love having that thing as a security backup.

    I've toured south of Stemple several miles on the FS road but never north of the main road, so not much help. I was only charging for distance planning a multi day ski tour so wanted to scout the CDT/road (which I bailed on partway due to extreme round of rain, sticky snow, exhaustion, was knocking snow off my bindings/skis/boots every 50 yards or so by smacking against trees, lol). Still would like to do that tour (Mac Pass to Stemple someday).

    Encountered fresh wolverine tracks a few years ago which was really cool. There is a fire tower (Granite Butte) that can be rented there, even in the winter I believe.
    Yeah, my wife used it the first time I've had it so I think it was a good investment. Last place that I have found that I will bring up through my google earth sleuthing was directly south of the summit of rogers pass along that ridge line? Is that too far east to get decent snow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    Yeah he is passionate--according to his posts he's on like 48 or 56 months in a row of skiing or something like that. He was wearing bear spray in that clip linked above, but the other day he posted a video skiing with a .45 holstered on his waist. I think it was partly for the humor, but no doubt there are a lot of griz up in that area and they are still awake.
    Probably why he came back here. After his first stint in Helena he moved on to a larger market on the East Coast in ~2009 or Ď10. I was surprised to see him return. He was a regular at the Rialto back then, but thatís probably not what brought him back.

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    If anyone has a line on a long term rental in Big Sky/Canyon please let me know. Friend/client of mine is opening a small business in the meadow. Opening Dec. 1st. Wife works in 4-corners, so meadow all the way down to Gateway would be good. Thanks.

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    The Lerch place at Karst was open. Don't know about now.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    The Lerch place at Karst was open. Don't know about now.
    Asked him about it this AM. It's rented already.

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    These should be fun innawoods skis. I even picked up the hipster pole. If only 3/4 of the snow hasn't melted in the backyard...
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