2012 Montana Conditions, Stoke and Whatev Thread

[toast2266]

Billings is not going to allow any recreational weed shops in the entire city. Almost unbelievable...but Billings. What a shithole.

https://montanafreepress.org/2021/11...marijuana-ban/

Billings City Council moved closer to solidifying its plans for regulating the city’s medical marijuana industry on Monday, and also clarified, after much confusion, that recreational cannabis sales will be fully prohibited within city limits.

During municipal elections earlier this month, Billings residents voted to ban recreational cannabis shops within the city. And earlier this fall, the council had drafted an ordinance to allow a handful of medical marijuana businesses (which have been banned in Billings since 2017) to operate in the city. That ordinance led some cannabis industry leaders to believe that those medical dispensaries would be entitled to also sell recreational cannabis when the newly legalized adult-use market opens in Montana on Jan. 1, 2022.

Much of that confusion was put to bed during Monday’s City Council meeting.

Similar things happened in Colorado when they legalized. It's still illegal to sell weed in Colorado Springs and a bunch of other places in CO. Just means you've got to drive to the next town / county over, and Billings is gonna miss out on a bunch of tax revenue.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Yeah, what's Laurel's position on it? I'd say they're in line for a nice windfall if they allow shops there.

[skaredshtles]

Similar things happened in Colorado when they legalized. It's still illegal to sell weed in Colorado Springs and a bunch of other places in CO. Just means you've got to drive to the next town / county over, and Billings is gonna miss out on a bunch of tax revenue.

Yep. Our *entire* County is still holding the prohibitionist line.

[yeahman]

There's no room for pot shops in Billings, too many "massage" parlors full of underage prostitutes hiding in plain view. Such a righteous place, Billings.

[toast2266]

Yep. Our *entire* County is still holding the prohibitionist line.

What's the weed equivalent of a dry county? A low county?

This got me going on a minor rabbit hole. I was surprised how many dry counties there still are in the U.S. (red is fully dry, yellow has restrictions or has dry municipalities).

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

LOL, first time I went to Chicago I got invited to a Sunday brunch/football watching get together. Not wanting to be a dweeb I ran down that morning to the corner liquor store to buy some beer, but WTF all the displays were locked. The counter guy laughed and said "You're don't live here, do ya?". Fucking blue laws.

So you can't buy beer at the package store until church lets out? It actually makes drinking worse, that's why people stash stacks of beer out on the porch so they don't get caught short.

[Bunion 2020]

Indiana was like that when I lived there. No booze or beer sales on Sunday. Period, end of story.

RE: Billings, Steve Zawaba.

http://www.safemontana.com/staff.html

What a dick.

[stalefish3169]

Really enjoyed this vid! Sorry if repost.

Feel lucky to have crushed the tram in its good ol' days.

https://unofficialnetworks-com.cdn.a...-a-bad-idea%2F

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[skaredshtles]

What's the weed equivalent of a dry county? A low county?

This got me going on a minor rabbit hole. I was surprised how many dry counties there still are in the U.S. (red is fully dry, yellow has restrictions or has dry municipalities).

Interesting... that shows my home county in Michigan with restrictions. But I wasn't aware of any when I lived there. I wonder what/where the restrictions were.

[skaredshtles]

Indiana was like that when I lived there. No booze or beer sales on Sunday. Period, end of story.

RE: Billings, Steve Zawaba.

http://www.safemontana.com/staff.html

What a dick.

"free of the scourge of illicit drugs"

Fortunately, for him, weed is no longer illicit!

[SUPERIOR]

Has anyone scouted the elk horn area over by Helena this time of year? Thinking of taking a spin up there to check out a couple features.


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[evasive_MT]

Has anyone scouted the elk horn area over by Helena this time of year? Thinking of taking a spin up there to check out a couple features.


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Guy I know recently rode Pole Creek. Dusting of snow, but otherwise OK.

Indiana was like that when I lived there. No booze or beer sales on Sunday. Period, end of story.

RE: Billings, Steve Zawaba.

http://www.safemontana.com/staff.html

What a dick.

Lancaster County was like that when I was in grad school at Nebraska. Gas station just across the county line did mad business on Sundays.

[Bunion 2020]

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At Montana’s Big Sky Resort, a new perspective on skiing

By John Briley
Yesterday at 8:00 a.m. EST

The old me would be indignant. I’m at an elevation of 11,000 feet, skittering across a massive bulletproof slate of frozen snow, my ski edges, knees and best-laid plans surrendering together. Twenty years ago, I’d be cursing my luck — I came all the way up here, and no powder?!? — but today, thanks to my age (54), years on skis (50) and the guy in front of me, the biggest ski-movie star you’ve never heard of, I’m content, conditions be damned.

“Well, that was coral reef at its finest,” says Dan Egan when we arrive at a traverse 1,600 vertical feet below our start. “But we had to try.”

Indeed. We’re at Big Sky Resort in southern Montana on an early-April Monday. I’ve come here with my wife, Cathleen, and kids Kai, 12, and Christina, 9, to squeeze a few more days out of a covid-confounded ski season. Egan, who’s appeared in more Warren Miller ski flicks than almost anyone else and is now a ski instructor and ambassador at Big Sky, is doing far more than helping me unlock this immense resort; he’s also, Yoda-like, coaxing me further down the path to skiing enlightenment.

“So many people come down a run, ski up to me and start telling me what they did wrong,” he says as we wait for Kai on an otherwise empty blue-square run. “But I already know that. I just watched you. I want to hear how much fun you just had, how good it felt to be right here, right now, doing this amazing thing.”

It’s understandable that skiers would want to impress Egan, a mountain-hewn 56-year-old New Englander who shredded the globe as an extreme skier in the 1980s and 1990s, mostly under the banner of Miller, who wrote and narrated 57 ski movies over his own legendary 50-plus-year career. Egan says Miller was kind of a second father to him — a freewheeling yin to his biological dad’s conservative Catholic yang — a backstory Egan summarizes in an illuminating anecdote: “My dad once told me, ‘You can’t ski every mountain and meet every ski bunny in the world.’ When I shared that with Warren, he shrugged and said, ‘Well, we can try!’ ”

Egan settled in Big Sky in 2007 for all the right reasons: With 39 lifts fanning out across 5,850 skiable acres and 4,350 feet of vertical drop, the place earns its tagline, the Biggest Skiing in America. (Though, in sheer size, it’s actually second in the United States to Park City Mountain Resort’s 7,300 skiable acres.)

We had headed up to that reef, on the south flank of 11,166-foot Lone Mountain, Big Sky’s pyramidal crown, on the thin hope that we’d find soft snow, despite a vicious thaw-freeze cycle over the past 20 hours. It was not an unreasonable quest: The prior day, I had disembarked from the 15-person Lone Peak tram into a gale-force wind, nodded at the arresting view of the Madison Range to the west and dived into a near free fall of willowy, leftover-powder turns.

Today is a new page, of course, and neither the mountain nor Egan could care less.

“Just ski the snow that’s in front of you,” he says after we rip one of the resort’s many long groomers back to the base area. “I was in Park City a couple weeks ago during a storm, and everyone was agitating to get to the top of the mountain, and they’re asking me, ‘Aren’t you coming?’ I had perfectly good powder right under my skis off a beginner lift. Why do I need to stress out looking for something better?”

For 40 years after its founding by newscaster Chet Huntley and its opening in 1973, Big Sky was largely a stress-free zone, dismissed among many destination skiers as a cold, lonely, hard-to-reach mountain with mostly intermediate terrain. Locals, seeking to protect their wintry nirvana, did little to dispel that image. (“Yeah! Big Sky is lonely, cold and, um, it never snows!”)

But Boyne Resorts, which had bought Big Sky in 1976, saw bigger potential. That eventually manifested in the 1995 opening of the tram — which accesses some of the most extreme inbounds territory on the continent — and the 2013 purchase of Moonlight Basin, an adjacent resort with around 1,900 acres of terrain. A marketing push ensued, which coincided with an influx of wealth to the region from the ultra-elite Yellowstone Club, just a short drive away. Then, in 2018, Big Sky was an inaugural participant in the Ikon ski pass, and skier numbers boomed — rising 46 percent from the 2015-2016 season to 2020-2021.

As you might imagine, this transition has its detractors.

“The golden age is over,” says my friend Andy Harris, who first skied Big Sky in 1992 and has lived in Bozeman since 2015. “Used to be you could get here five minutes before they opened and skate onto a chair. Now, well, we’re never going to be Vail, but . . . there are powder stashes that used to last three days after a storm. Now they’re gone in a morning.”

Sounds like Andy needs a session with Egan, though I did find truth to his grousing: consistent congestion at the tram and at the Swift Current lift at the Mountain Village base, for example, along with some cluelessly entitled behavior around lift lines and ski racks. But, to keep the lights on, a place this big needs more than a few hundred locals with season passes. And the resort is advancing a plan to better manage crowds and add some sorely needed on-mountain dining by 2025. Regardless, once we were above the base area, it often felt as if we had the resort to ourselves.

On a sunny day glazed with thin, wispy clouds, Cathleen and I ride the Thunder Wolf chair (no line) to a wide, ungroomed pitch of soft snow accented sparsely by Douglas fir trees, one long dead and split by wind or lightning, its amber core stark against the white backdrop. Later we take Christina to the far southern reaches of Big Sky and the Lewis & Clark chair (one-minute line), which rises from the Spanish Peaks private club to a broad, rolling slope ideal for a kid looking to progress to the next level.

Kai and I find our most joyous runs off the Challenger chair, specifically the fast, subtle moguls of Midnight down to Moonlight, past dreamily scenic white bark pines and into the woods of Outer Limits and Comet, which drop us onto a cat track. It might seem like a little thing to you, but watching my preteen son ski a line through the woods without falling, whining or asking for route help is on par with bringing home a 4.0 GPA in my book.

The next day, we are with Egan again, stopped on a groomer beneath a row of precipitous chutes, most of which rate triple black diamond. (Yes, that’s a thing in Montana.) I’m gazing up, envisioning bombing down one of them — to wild cheers from Egan! — when he clears his throat paternalistically to regain my attention. He’s drawn a diamond in the corduroy with his ski pole and is tapping at its top point.

“Skiing is a combination of four factors, and it starts with your purpose. Why are you here? What are looking to get out of this? Next is your emotion,” he says, tracing to the next point on the diamond. “How do you feel about skiing? After that is your commitment: how often you ski and the effort you put into it. Once you know all of that, you bring it together and tailor the technique to that person.”

Heady stuff for a vacation, but I’m here to report that it helps. My purpose, obvious though it may sound, is to flirt with the outer edges of my ability and have a ton of fun — ripping through open space, detonating armories of powder in the forest, catching age-appropriate air and stomping landings. By the time my mind arrives at my technique, I no longer care all that much about it. Sure, I could fine-tune a few things, but — reality check — the ship of meaningful improvement sailed years ago. And if I’m going to turn any heads on a ski mountain, especially one that’s home to as many skilled, jaded locals as Big Sky, it’ll be due to a spectacular wipeout, not some hero line.

Later, family reunited over apps and beers at the Montana Jack taproom at the Mountain Village base, the mash-up of Big Sky 2021 is on display. Tables of ruddy-faced tourists are throwing down bourbon shots beneath the glow of the televised NCAA championship basketball game. Out in the cold sunshine of the patio, parents lead wobbly kids from the slopes toward the parking lots, weaving through an assortment of free-ranging dogs and hale locals, who share BYO beers and the deep laughter of the young and the free.

Back at Big Sky, I break away from the family and head toward some of the mountain’s most radical offerings: the Headwaters chutes. Getting there requires one of the sketchier boot-packs I’ve ever done, along an icy, knife-edge ridge where the prospect of a catastrophic fall looms large. Fifteen minutes along and with some difficulty due to the slope angle, I reattach my skis and maneuver to the top of Firehole, a triple-black chute that holds a 40-degree pitch throughout much of its 1,000 vertical feet and, toward the bottom, narrows between two rock walls.

I’ve skied a lot of steeps — including Jackson Hole and Taos, Snowbird and Crested Butte — but this is a different level. I am well above tree line, skis edged into the chalky slant like razor blades, and I’m momentarily frozen by the raw Alpine expanse surrounding me. Far below, in Moonlight Basin, skiers float by in the silent distance. I exhale, remembering that I ski — and live — for moments like this, before unweighting my edges and arcing into the void.

[Talisman]

Then, in 2018, Big Sky was an inaugural participant in the Ikon ski pass, and skier numbers boomed — rising 46 percent from the 2015-2016 season to 2020-2021.

I wonder what the revenue increase from the 46% rise in skiers was? It is easy to get big numbers when you sell at a steep discount. The 46% is higher than some of the fibs mountain management told us about Ikon number.

Thanks for sharing the article.

[Harry]

”That was coral reef at its finest” said Dan Egan...


Pffft... clearly he has never skied at Snowbowl.


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[Bunion 2020]

and then there is this, not sure what it really means.

[RootSkier]

Who cares how much it costs or how big the lift lines are when you can ski tRiPle bLacKs?

[axebiker]

Think after the cluster it was last year, and with even more people probably coming out this year - oh! but "we're limiting ticket sales to enhance 'the guest experience'..."uh-huh...right, cuz the lines really made it seem that way... Time to do the small area mom & pop ski area tour this year. I've never seen crowds like when we were there last year, and it wasn't on the usual tourist weeks...

[yeahman]

Can't say I really waited in any major lines last year except for the tram. Even when it looks like Swifty is a major clusterfuck it still only takes 15 minutes if you actually time it. Hopefully this year with Swifty 6, the extra tram charge, and no covid limits on loading lifts, things will be running even more smoothly.

Word from my source is they will probably continue to sell tram access packs until mid-season, at which point they will decide if the line is still too long, and if it is they will discontinue sales and it will be auto-charge only.

[SUPERIOR]

The Elkhorns paid off.

What a fun early season hike to post hole through, and maybe some skiing here in the future.

Tagged the 9,500’ peak

[Bunion 2020]

Heh....

[idahospud]

The youths are at it!

In fairness, I used to think that stuff was fun as hell, especially this time of year, but now that being sore lasts a lot longer, I've convinced myself that touring is actually more fun.

[SUPERIOR]

Leaving town for the desert today.

Will be interesting to see if tonight’s storm puts anything on the ground near Bridger.

See ya’ll at Big Sky on Thanksgiving for requisite WROD.

Enjoy the Indian Summer, everyone.

[Bunion 2020]

Ran into a guy who used to work for me at MLB. He made the transition to work at BS.

Whatever he did it was the wrong thing and he was not invited to re-apply. Another guy who worked at MLB offered the opinion that this was bullshit. He was told that he was no longer welcome. Both were good patrollers and now instead they are being replaced by new folks. This season there will be at least 20 new patrollers at Big Sky. That is a frightening amount of new blood.

[total_immortal]

a frightening amount of new blood.

I think you just described all of SW Montana. It's going to be an interesting winter, sounds like there are lots of new BB pass holders, my hunting spots have been crowded and there are no elk, rail jammers at the base of BB (who the fuck skis park at BB?), ski school lotteries, Big Sky hype train hitting full speed, the list just goes on and on...