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  1. #4951
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    Quote Originally Posted by waveshello View Post
    They sell the new version, but it takes about 30 second with a razor to modify them to fit. The 2021 service manual actually specifies to modify the AFDs to fit the older toes. AFAIK this only works with the alpine AFDs.

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    Oh good to know. Wasn't sure what the consensus was on modifying them. Do you just cut the tabs off?
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    Oh good to know. Wasn't sure what the consensus was on modifying them. Do you just cut the tabs off?
    You just need to cut the two hold down tabs off, and shave the two alignment nubs down so that they don't protrude past the surrounding plastic base.



    I think the waters were muddied by those who were trying to modify the GW AFDs to work with the old toes which is covered in another thread and didn't work well IIRC.

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  3. #4953
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    Drilled into a pair of brand new skis for the first time in many years but I think it was my most accurate mount to date.

    I tried the pictured method for finding the centerline and it was definitely the quickest and most accurate way Iíve ever tried. I know itís been posted here before but highly recommend trying it if you havenít yet




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    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

  4. #4954
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    Should be recreating that same procedure tomorrow afternoon at our annual mount and wax party. These two beauties gonna get mounted. My first time ever owning current-model year skis. I'm going to figure out what the difference is between the WC 101 and DW 104 so you all don't have to.

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  5. #4955
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    A fucking screws broke off flush to the top sheet on the kids volklsÖ.never had that happen before. Im going to try and dremel a slot in it and back it outÖ had to trade out afdís to adult soles. No good deed goes unpunished


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  6. #4956
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    Quote Originally Posted by detrusor View Post
    A fucking screws broke off flush to the top sheet on the kids volkls….never had that happen before. Im going to try and dremel a slot in it and back it out… had to trade out afd’s to adult soles. No good deed goes unpunished
    You need a 8mm hole saw. It will bridge around the broken screw and be the right size for a tap-in inset.
    Here is the "proper" tool from Tonger for $30:
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    https://www.tognar.com/hollow-core-drill-bit/


    The only difference between the above "proper" tool, and a cheap $6.00 one from Amazon is that its collar fits in a ski jig.
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    Then just tap in a brass or plastic inset.

  7. #4957
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    Quote Originally Posted by detrusor View Post
    A fucking screws broke off flush to the top sheet on the kids volkls….never had that happen before. Im going to try and dremel a slot in it and back it out… had to trade out afd’s to adult soles. No good deed goes unpunished


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    One the shops I worked at had a stholi (I think) hallow bit that went over the broken screw and over bored the hole to the size of the little plastic tap in plugs… Google got me no where trying to find a pic.

    Edit: Well fuck there it is above me ��
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  8. #4958
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    Google "5/16 hallow screw extraction bit" to get the cheap option you're looking for.
    Because 5/16 = 0.3125" = 7.9375mm

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  9. #4959
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    Quote Originally Posted by detrusor View Post
    A fucking screws broke off flush to the top sheet on the kids volkls….never had that happen before. Im going to try and dremel a slot in it and back it out… had to trade out afd’s to adult soles. No good deed goes unpunished


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    you could go all holly wood OR just measure 1/2 " ether way from each screw, drill more mounting holes for the remount or some fucking thing like that
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  10. #4960
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Should be recreating that same procedure tomorrow afternoon at our annual mount and wax party. These two beauties gonna get mounted. My first time ever owning current-model year skis. I'm going to figure out what the difference is between the WC 101 and DW 104 so you all don't have to.

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    You canít go wrong this way!

  11. #4961
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    Should be recreating that same procedure tomorrow afternoon at our annual mount and wax party. These two beauties gonna get mounted. My first time ever owning current-model year skis. I'm going to figure out what the difference is between the WC 101 and DW 104 so you all don't have to.

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    can we get more info on the blue plastic dinosaur?

  12. #4962
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    Quote Originally Posted by detrusor View Post
    A fucking screws broke off flush to the top sheet on the kids volkls….never had that happen before. Im going to try and dremel a slot in it and back it out… had to trade out afd’s to adult soles. No good deed goes unpunished


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    You're in the right track. Definitely try this before what Hubbs is suggesting. Removed many a broken screw this way. A used cutoff wheel will have a smaller footprint. Meaning a smaller diameter cutoff wheel will cut less into the periphery(your top sheet) around the screw shaft(depending on the level the screw shaft broke). Grinding the slot should heat the shaft to break the bond. Also, use a non fiber reinforced cutoff wheel, it will leave a skinnier kerf.
    If it doesn't work, do as Hubbs suggests or remount
    Last edited by tuco; 10-16-2021 at 10:09 AM.

  13. #4963
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    Dremel for the win. I used a very small diamond burr and carefully cut a derp slot in the screw but not all the way to the outside diameter of the screw. Applied heat, and it backed out.

    I have the hollow bit for drilling over the screw but didnít want to put an inset in if I didnít have too.

    I figure the screw must have had a flaw in it, it was new last season when I mounted them, no corrosion or anything on any of the screws.


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    Often I don't know who mounted the binding or what glue they used so yeah heat for the win BEFORE the head breaks off or is stripped at the very first sign I got a problem

    I often forget this,
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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    forget what?
    I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.

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    Exactly

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    wtf do you think ?

    use heat before I break or strip a screw
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    wtf do you think ?

    use heat before I break or strip a screw
    I have a little Dremel gas powered soldering iron in my mounting kit for this very reason. It's served me well. Would you back out a helicoil with the same technique?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    I have a little Dremel gas powered soldering iron in my mounting kit for this very reason. It's served me well. Would you back out a helicoil with the same technique?

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    I've dealt with a few screws that wouldn't budge, some I remembered to try the heat which worked and heat has always worked, some I forgot about the heat and stripped the head said oh fuck i should have tried heat

    But I have never dealt with a helicoil and I always use FG & slow set to fix spinners as opposed to a helicoil

    I am not sure about using heat on a helicoil becuz I am not sure if the screw would come out of the helicoil OR the heli coil would come out of the ski ?

    BUT if it got to that point the screw was stuck you would need to try something probably heat, obviously if you don't know there is a heli coil in the ski you would be doing it anyway
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  20. #4970
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    Hereís the mount of the day 10/16/21Ö.saved it for the last this afternoon:

    First Meier mount at the shop here in NEPAÖ
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    Annual mount and wax party -- one of the few annual rituals I really care for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    I have a little Dremel gas powered soldering iron in my mounting kit for this very reason. It's served me well. Would you back out a helicoil with the same technique?

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    Took me way too long to realize your soldering iron wasnít powered by an gas engine. Pictured you yanking on a cord to start that thing up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Took me way too long to realize your soldering iron wasnít powered by an gas engine. Pictured you yanking on a cord to start that thing up!
    Ya I had the coal-fired steam engine model at first, really liked it, but I found it difficult to source bituminous coal when travelling, so I upgraded to the gas one.

    I should have called it a butane soldering torch, that would have been far less confusing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    Drilled into a pair of brand new skis for the first time in many years but I think it was my most accurate mount to date.

    I tried the pictured method for finding the centerline and it was definitely the quickest and most accurate way I’ve ever tried. I know it’s been posted here before but highly recommend trying it if you haven’t yet




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    Radical cakes. I'm filing this away for the next mount. Much appreciated for the share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig View Post
    Radical cakes. I'm filing this away for the next mount. Much appreciated for the share.
    I'm def not the pioneer of this method but you will not be disappointed! One accompanying tip is that a lot of calipers have an indentation where the arm meets the ruler part as you can see in the picture. If you put the ruler part up snug on the ski base the edge will often go into the indentation and not sit flat on the caliper arm, thus making the measurement off the sidewall and not the ski edge (which is probably still fine). I remedied this by taping a shim to the underside of the calipers so I could rest it flat on the ski base and get the arms flush on the edges. Just make sure the shim is straight. I can send a pic if that explanation made no sense...
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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