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02-18-2019, 07:11 PM #2726Registered User
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Kastle FX85 mounting
I just got a set of Kastle FX85 (2017) for super cheap along with Tyrolia Attack2 13 bindings. There's a scary-looking sticker on the skis and I'm not sure how to proceed.
Here's the text for searchability:
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This ski does not meet ISO 8364 standard!
For installation please regard following requirements: For drilling holes use drill bit with dimension 4.1mm x 7.5mm (Kastle art.no. EB004) and adequat screws with depth of insertion 6mm +- 0.5!
We recommend to use glue for the screws.
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Few questions here:
1. This is a full wood ski, why are they recommending 4.1mm instead of 3.5/3.6mm? Is this because the bindings they require (their own branded stuff) have custom larger diameter screws? Any downsides to using a 3.5mm x 7.5mm bit?
2. The Tyrolia Attack bindings have ~9mm screws. Is it safe to cut/sand them down to ~6mm? Seems awfully short and potentially affects tapability.
3. Any recommendations on how to proceed? I'm planning on ordering a 4.1x7.5mm bit and sanding down the screws to be ~6mm protrusion.
Picture of the ~9mm screws coming out of a set of Tyrolia Attacks:
What ~6mm looks like on the ski where I'd mount the heel pieces. I'm not convinced using a ~9mm drill bit won't work.
Not sure why the pictures are rotated incorrectly but they seem to automatically rotate themselves when I upload.
Help would be greatly appreciated
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02-18-2019, 07:26 PM #2727
4.1mm is likely for a mounting thru a re-enforcement plate on that thin ski.
Ie- the same binding screw works with either 3.6 or 4.1- the bindings/screws are not different for skis with/without metal, the 3.6 allows the threads to bite into the wood a bit better.
But you may still need to grind the screws down though if the ski is too thin.Move upside and let the man go through...
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02-20-2019, 03:47 PM #2728Registered User
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Sadly no beer, as my first ski (not depicted) came out a tiny bit croocked (forgot to measure center of template, hence pic two - #measureeverything!) #wops By ski 5 and 6 (w108s) the method was perfected
The five others came out pretty well - template perfection and money saved! Sadly, due to shit fuck conditions these will not see use any time soon. Oh well
Sorry pic three is a bit on the blurry side
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02-20-2019, 04:19 PM #2729
If you look at your 8.65mm projecting screws, you'll note that about 2mm is tapered, meaning there's no thread strength there. Filing/grinding off to 6.5mm ought to be fine as long as you don't get spinners and you use G-flex epoxy for extra insurance.
If you grind off the excess, make sure you tap, 'coz the tapered part that's missing helps to get by without a tap - to start the thread (at least with non-metal tops).
I don't know anything about the BMTs (not sure why they specify 4.1), but the above comments would apply to any ski.
... ThomGalibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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02-20-2019, 04:39 PM #2730Best regards, Terry
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02-20-2019, 09:50 PM #2731
Picked up a pair of older manaslu’s to use as a lightweight beater setup. Going to mount verticals in the factory inserts. Come to find out, 4 of the toe insert have been plugged. Question is how should I go about mounting the toes? Drill out the plug completely or drill a pilot and epoxy the screws? With it being in the slu’s factor inserts, not exactly sure on best way to proceed...
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02-20-2019, 10:16 PM #2732Registered User
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02-20-2019, 10:23 PM #2733
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02-20-2019, 10:32 PM #2734
Will be using the forward most inserts that are the original plastic that has then been filled with a plastic plug.
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02-20-2019, 11:11 PM #2735Registered User
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Yeah I think I would pull those plugs out with a dry wall screw and try to reuse the holes, I would mount using slow set, leave to set for 24 hrs and see if they spin or not
this ski looks like its had a lot of binding mounts at least a vert (5hole) and a rad (4hole)
IME with dyna inserts my BSL (size 24) was too small to use only inserts so I had to drill into wood for some of the screws but another problem was that ski center is not marked so I didn't know where ski center was
so i checked a buddies ski who owned stokes with size 9 boots to see where his Boot center ended up and it appeared that the "made in Austria" writing on the top sheet lined up with his boot center
SO I made the assumption that was the ski center
at least on the stokesLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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02-21-2019, 01:48 AM #2736Registered User
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02-21-2019, 06:01 AM #2737
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02-21-2019, 10:21 AM #2738self proclaimed JONG!
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02-21-2019, 10:27 AM #2739Registered User
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02-22-2019, 09:16 PM #2740
I mounted some Ions paired to moment meridian tours tonight. Used this template http://www.slidewright.com/Bindings/G3_ION_Template.pdf
I learned that the bsl chart on this can vary based on boot. My vulcans necessitated mounting the template rearward 5mm to allow for boot midsole to line up with recommended mount for this ski. No biggie and glad i have gotten used to double and triple checking everything. Finally switched to g flex for epoxy. Perfect and bomber mount. Cant wait to ski.
Last edited by roverdoc; 02-22-2019 at 09:37 PM.
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02-23-2019, 09:57 AM #2741
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02-23-2019, 10:37 AM #2742
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02-23-2019, 04:08 PM #2743
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02-24-2019, 10:13 AM #2744
I think it's good practice to attach the toes to the boots then align the toe piece over the toe holes to see where the BSC hits on this (and any) template. Then adjust the template relative to mounting line as necessary. The ION heels have, IIRC, 25mm adjustment range which gives you flexibility as to where to mount them within their adjustment range.
Best regards, Terry
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02-24-2019, 11:57 AM #2745Registered User
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I think waht happens a lot is some dentist downloads a template, doesnt check for correct size from the printer, tapes it to the ski and and drills all the holes before checking anything
measure thrice, drill once and check between drilling ... its easier to fix half a fuckupLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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02-24-2019, 12:20 PM #2746
In the past 3 weeks I have mounted a pair of Shifts and 2 pairs of Marker Tours. The Shifts were pretty straightforward but I definitely mounted them to a 2X4 to practice. I've probably done 20+ Marker mounts. Feel like I can start drinking beer as soon as I have the centerline marked when doing those.
If anyone needs a Tyrolia Ambition template, I found this on Pugski. Haven't tried it yet but it looks to be straight from Tyrolia's template. Also posted the link in the Templates thread.
https://www.pugski.com/threads/tyrol...-advice.10545/
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02-24-2019, 01:01 PM #2747
Thanks Terry. That is what i ended up doing and how i realized there was a discrepancy. Slid the template back and voila. mounted toes and then adjusted rear template to be in middle of adjustability. First time the paper template wasn't within a couple of mm for me. Always good to check. Dan
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02-24-2019, 05:10 PM #2748
2/3 of the way through putting inserts for Beast14/Radical 2.
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02-24-2019, 11:57 PM #2749
Looking good
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02-25-2019, 03:02 PM #2750
The inserts turned out better than the previous sets. I think I am close to having my process dialed and knowing how to clean up the epoxy.
I also much prefer putting inserts into DPS skis over the Salomon MTN explore 95s and the Volkl BMT 94s that I did previously. Construction seems to be much more solid.
Seth
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