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  1. #5126
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    I am looking at mounting Attacks on two pairs of skis. This will be my time with Attacks. My first question is brake size. One ski is a 102 and the other is a 120, Brake options are 95, 110 and 130. Do I go with 95s on the 102s or 110s. And 110s on the 120s or 130s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgapp View Post
    SFB taught me to be a good member of the community, to help others, share freely, and to most importantly not be a complete shitwipe. So far those lessons have served me really well.

    The Pivot mount mentioned above will actually be my first alpine binder mount job. I've done shifts, tectons, and a ton of ATK binding mounts, but never a true alpine binder. Stoked to give it a try.

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    stop by i have the jig
    pass the safety and ski tips to the left hand side
    i used to haz a safety team vest
    but we failed to pass huggy bear ran up on er
    flipped our shit and swam hells 1/2 acre
    and among other things the river took it

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    tyros brakes bend best no prob bending the smallers out
    i miss the old 97/98 and still have a few
    the new 95 dont do the 100- 105 ish as well
    oh and i rareley tap more than a couple turns to start threads thru the metal top sheet .
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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    Whoa dude, I still praise Jah on the regs. Slow yer roll. I also give thanks to Hofmann from time to time. Just not into alcohol anymore.
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    Ok, so it sounds like the 110 brakes for the 102's...Thanks!

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    id still bend the 95 out
    but i got a to wide brake stick in a ripped gaiter of my bibs and locked into an highspeed groomer beatdown
    so i go tight is right now
    "When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
    "I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
    "THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
    "I have posted in here but haven't read it carefully with my trusty PoliAsshat antenna on."-DipshitDanno

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    ^i have also done that, it is terrifying.
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    Before I install my second CAST, the first setup I did a month ago, one of the skis I had to loosen one or two of the toe plate screws maybe 1/4 turn each from tight to get both the Look and Pin toe pieces to move smoother. The second ski was perfect.

    Should I be worried...AM I GOING TO DIE?

    The Pin toe does 'wear in' so I probably could tighten the screws again but does that require a bit more glue or is it sealed enough I don't have to worry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skifishbum View Post
    id still bend the 95 out
    but i got a to wide brake stick in a ripped gaiter of my bibs and locked into an highspeed groomer beatdown
    so i go tight is right now
    Yeah I don’t want that to happen. Never thought of it that way….
    You think the same for the 120s? Go with 110s?

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    Hoping this doesnít launch another argument but can I drill a Bent Chetler 100 with a 3.6 bit? Topsheet says 4.1 but I donít think thereís metal. I donít have a 4.1 but will get one if itís required
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    Hoping this doesnít launch another argument but can I drill a Bent Chetler 100 with a 3.6 bit? Topsheet says 4.1 but I donít think thereís metal. I donít have a 4.1 but will get one if itís required
    Strange that it says that. Definitely no metal in BCs.
    "somebody's gotta do it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    Hoping this doesnít launch another argument but can I drill a Bent Chetler 100 with a 3.6 bit? Topsheet says 4.1 but I donít think thereís metal. I donít have a 4.1 but will get one if itís required
    FTR, The 4.1mm diameter bit or an alpine tap is about the same as the shank of a 5.5mm alpine screw. If the topsheet can compress enough to allow the tap or screw to be driven through without volcanoing dramatically, you may not die, nor will your skis explode. I recommend tapping regardless.

    As a point of reference, the thickness of 5 sheets of paper is about the difference between the two bit diameters. So if you are a risk taker, not super anal, are moderately skilled and OK with a slight wallowing of the drill bit you can assimilate the wider diameter at the topsheet....otherwise stick with the manufacturer's recommendation.
    Best regards, Terry
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  12. #5137
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    ^ keep your tips left though

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    A 5/32" is 3.97mm. I mean, if you got freedom units handy.

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    This is the tap we use in the drill, it will only cut 3 deep and no more. Makes it easy
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    crab in my shoe mouth

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    How do you keep it from over spinning and tearing out the threads?

    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    This is the tap we use in the drill, it will only cut 3 deep and no more. Makes it easy
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    Best regards, Terry
    (Direct Contact is best vs PMs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    A 5/32" is 3.97mm. I mean, if you got freedom units handy.
    After seeing a ski that had been drilled clean through because the homemade collar slipped Iím only using ski specific bits from now on

    It probably happened because the tips were pointed to the right
    Quote Originally Posted by other grskier View Post
    well, in the three years i've been skiing i bet i can ski most anything those 'pro's' i listed can, probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    How do you keep it from over spinning and tearing out the threads?
    Mad skillz? Itís a fucking drill, not hard to use. Go slow and low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    FTR, The 4.1mm diameter bit or an alpine tap is about the same as the shank of a 5.5mm alpine screw. If the topsheet can compress enough to allow the tap or screw to be driven through without volcanoing dramatically, you may not die, nor will your skis explode. I recommend tapping regardless.

    As a point of reference, the thickness of 5 sheets of paper is about the difference between the two bit diameters. So if you are a risk taker, not super anal, are moderately skilled and OK with a slight wallowing of the drill bit you can assimilate the wider diameter at the topsheet....otherwise stick with the manufacturer's recommendation.
    THIS.. Just don't EVER go wider diameter than recommended. Pretty sure the bit I use to mount skis (probably about a dozen pairs this century) is a smaller diameter than recommended. It may dimple a little at the top when a fatter screw goes in her but she'll adjust and happy with that. Go too fat and you get spinners...
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttahflake View Post
    Mad skillz? It’s a fucking drill, not hard to use. Go slow and low.
    I like the idea (without cutting the tap), but would hate to go 1/4 turn too much. Stopping short and rotating the rest by hand might be wise for starters until you get the feel.
    Best regards, Terry
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth View Post
    After seeing a ski that had been drilled clean through because the homemade collar slipped Iím only using ski specific bits from now on
    I've had a setscrewed collar slip, a piece of tape on the drill also slips so I drill thru a chunk of 2x4 or a 1.5 " wine bottle cork is perfect size, leave it on the bit with the length of drill you want showing and thats as far as the bit can go, all that can happen is the drill bit slips in the chuck and you don't drill far enough
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    With no place to ski today (not going to go back to Killington until it's t2b) I decided to catch up on some mounts.

    (1) Put an old pair of Freeride + on a friend's brandy new FX106 HPs. He's 73 and decided to go short (176) down from some 184 Mantras.
    (2) Put a pair of Look NX10s on Mrs. MNIAW's 2nd pair of Ripstick 86Ws. She's tall and rocks them in 173.
    (3) Put a pair of Marker Lords on my brandy new Blizzard Sheevas (they're the exact same ski as the Rustler 11 but can be had for almost half price in 188). Was thinking about painting them flat black to hide the topsheet but I'm comfortable with my masculinity so gonna ski 'em as is.

    I use paper templates and got a 3D printed centering jig from RFConroy; that tool saved me a bunch of time getting the centerline right.

    Don't know why, but I've always done tips left. I must be an idiot savant.
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    Re: drilling tapping, ski tips, etc.
    Tips go whichever way I put the ski on the saw-horses. It's not even guaranteed both skis of the pair will face the same direction.
    I do admit that I've started to drill more than once and wondered if I had it right and wasn't mounting backwards. (Amazingly, as many things as I mix up, I haven't managed that yet.)

    And, I dunno, I drill and tap all my holes with the drill.
    And apply all the screws with the impact. (I usually snug them up/check them the last bit with a screwdriver.)
    Easy touch helps.

    Of course, all my skis are heavy as hell with sheets and sheets of metal and have cores made from ironwood, so it probably doesn't matter. (Ok, yeah, the ironwood is exaggeration.)
    (I do set the drill clutch really low and a low-gear RPM for tapping, which helps.)

    But if we all need to have some drama about it, go for it. I'm good.
    Perhaps I'm stupid, have the IQ of a hamster, or lazy (why not all three?) - but it's worked for quite a few mounts so far.
    YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest View Post
    With no place to ski today (not going to go back to Killington until it's t2b) I decided to catch up on some mounts.

    (1) Put an old pair of Freeride + on a friend's brandy new FX106 HPs. He's 73 and decided to go short (176) down from some 184 Mantras.
    (2) Put a pair of Look NX10s on Mrs. MNIAW's 2nd pair of Ripstick 86Ws. She's tall and rocks them in 173.
    (3) Put a pair of Marker Lords on my brandy new Blizzard Sheevas (they're the exact same ski as the Rustler 11 but can be had for almost half price in 188). Was thinking about painting them flat black to hide the topsheet but I'm comfortable with my masculinity so gonna ski 'em as is.

    I use paper templates and got a 3D printed centering jig from RFConroy; that tool saved me a bunch of time getting the centerline right.

    Don't know why, but I've always done tips left. I must be an idiot savant.
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    I honestly love the Sheeva top-sheets. I could go for more of that on "Mens" skis. Just sold a pair of 2018's that looked really nice.

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    I'll be doing 4 mounts in the next few weeks. Three for me (one new, one remount. one remount for Tele) and one using old holes for my daughter.

    Plan to screw them all in by hand. No metal, no taps. Paper templates. Always tips left.

    Will post pics once done.

    Now that I think of it, are there templates for hammerheads? Can't remember when or how I last mounted them..

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    ^ ya hammerhead templates are around. Should be easy to find as I'm pretty sure they have the same pattern as the current 22 designs lineup.

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