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  1. #1826
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayItLeo View Post
    Fair point. Still need to do the brake bendy, but am now considering having some bespoke, artisanal brake arms custom made.


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    Since they are your own fucking skis, drill them however you fucking like.

    Personally, as someone with lots of hand tool (while working many materials) experience and understanding that skis cores, screws & bindings will be just fine with minor imperfections, I never thought twice about needing anything beyond free handing the drilling of holes.

    I can also appreciate concerns of those who do not use tools or various materials on a regular basis and are not comfortable drilling skis without aids. I also appreciate striving for very tight tolerances, even though in skiing, minor imperfections will not really affect your skiing or life. But if someone feels better using guides or a drill press, fine. Go for it.

    On my recent mount and experiment (one ski by hand/guide, one with drill press), I found I could drill about 3 or 4 holes by hand per set up for one on the drill press. But, the drill press also forced me to slow down and did put me into an even more careful mindset. One hand I liked using the drill press, on the other it did seem like overkill. So what if it is?

    It's all good, just double check yourself each step no matter how you drill your own fucking skis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayItLeo View Post
    Still need to do the brake bendy, but am now considering having some bespoke, artisanal brake arms custom made.
    I hear reclaimed wrought iron is all the rage now. #ruststains

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    Since they are your own fucking skis, drill them however you fucking like.

    Personally, as someone with lots of hand tool (while working many materials) experience and understanding that skis cores, screws & bindings will be just fine with minor imperfections, I never thought twice about needing anything beyond free handing the drilling of holes.

    I can also appreciate concerns of those who do not use tools or various materials on a regular basis and are not comfortable drilling skis without aids. I also appreciate striving for very tight tolerances, even though in skiing, minor imperfections will not really affect your skiing or life. But if someone feels better using guides or a drill press, fine. Go for it.

    On my recent mount and experiment (one ski by hand/guide, one with drill press), I found I could drill about 3 or 4 holes by hand per set up for one on the drill press. But, the drill press also forced me to slow down and did put me into an even more careful mindset. One hand I liked using the drill press, on the other it did seem like overkill. So what if it is?

    It's all good, just double check yourself each step no matter how you drill your own fucking skis.
    And, as always, use fucking epoxy to lube and seal your holes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
    Since they are your own fucking skis, drill them however you fucking like.

    Personally, as someone with lots of hand tool (while working many materials) experience and understanding that skis cores, screws & bindings will be just fine with minor imperfections, I never thought twice about needing anything beyond free handing the drilling of holes.

    I can also appreciate concerns of those who do not use tools or various materials on a regular basis and are not comfortable drilling skis without aids. I also appreciate striving for very tight tolerances, even though in skiing, minor imperfections will not really affect your skiing or life. But if someone feels better using guides or a drill press, fine. Go for it.

    On my recent mount and experiment (one ski by hand/guide, one with drill press), I found I could drill about 3 or 4 holes by hand per set up for one on the drill press. But, the drill press also forced me to slow down and did put me into an even more careful mindset. One hand I liked using the drill press, on the other it did seem like overkill. So what if it is?

    It's all good, just double check yourself each step no matter how you drill your own fucking skis.
    This ^^ the last sentence is key

    if I had to drill holes in metal to metal that needed to be exact & would be threaded for machine screws a drill press would be apropo but doing binding mounts we are talking about putting wood screws into wood, the important thing is to put the screws in the right spot which shop workers seem to fuck up even with the proper jig

    When i mount its always freehand, I go really slow listen to the radio try to think about nothing else and I drink coffee not beer

    the exception is a Tele mount, IME you can drink whatever you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    This ^^ the last sentence is key

    if I had to drill holes in metal to metal that needed to be exact & would be threaded for machine screws a drill press would be apropo but doing binding mounts we are talking about putting wood screws into wood, the important thing is to put the screws in the right spot which shop workers seem to fuck up even with the proper jig

    When i mount its always freehand, I go really slow listen to the radio try to think about nothing else and I drink coffee not beer

    the exception is a Tele mount, IME you can drink whatever you want
    i drink java injest hudge quanities of thc and jam that rock n roll radios loud
    cept i go real fuckin fast cause i'm high dollar shop bitch and they expect production
    get back to me after 60+ hours and a thousand mounts
    and let me know ifin all the holes got i the right spots
    "When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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    Quote Originally Posted by skifishbum View Post
    i drink java injest hudge quanities of thc and jam that rock n roll radios loud
    cept i go real fuckin fast cause i'm high dollar shop bitch and they expect production
    get back to me after 60+ hours and a thousand mounts
    and let me know ifin all the holes got I the right spots
    No charge for the extra holes, right?
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    I have holes for sale in Gear Swap.

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    most everything in the warehouse we gots more of so we just grab another
    throw that one on the wall of boo boo shame and take it down to retail to get marked down and now that we acquired/ merged with a consignment business the stores got a lot of lookin for a deal clientel
    we have our friday meeting and we get and give shout outs
    the mount team got one for the lack of skis on said wall
    which was funny cause i took most of em down to retail a couple days before
    and then blew 2 that afternoon
    ive been known to space a din setting or 3
    so the qc testing team tells me
    and i turn er down a notch or 2 in the retail setting
    specially on them practictioners of dental arts high dollar skis
    "When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
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    ski on in eternal peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~mikey b View Post
    I have holes for sale in Gear Swap.
    How many mounts on those holes?

    Interested in a trade? I've got some unused boot punches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skifishbum View Post
    i drink java injest hudge quanities of thc and jam that rock n roll radios loud
    cept i go real fuckin fast cause i'm high dollar shop bitch and they expect production
    get back to me after 60+ hours and a thousand mounts
    and let me know ifin all the holes got i the right spots


    I don't need or want to do thousands of mounts, sounds like it sucks to be you, in any case if yer such a baller you must have the jigs and all the right gear SO you should know what yer doing while its pretty obvious most of these fucking dentists do not cuz we might do one a year without all that specialized mounting stuff

    so we would all benifit from slowing down measure twce/ drill once

    in the right place
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    The drill press idea was tempting. I tried using my bench mount Craftsman drill press and the platform is more geared for small parts and the like. I'd need a bigger platform to use it for skis. Or fab up some sort of supports for the skis.

    So, I fucking free-handed it. Again.

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    ^^great match of the colors of beer and binder - supergoats?

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    looks like wren 108

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeoK View Post
    ^^great match of the colors of beer and binder - supergoats?
    Thanks. I figured Oregon skis pair best with an Oregon - all from Portland, no less. The best part? It's the winter ale. Mega tasty.

    Quote Originally Posted by kai_ski View Post
    looks like wren 108
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    More mounting my own fucking skis stoke

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    Anybody mount Vist plates? I presume the center grey piece



    Goes on boot center.....


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    Last night's project. Xmas came early, too bad UT isn't exactly buried right now...

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    Hey forum jongs... I got a new pair of skis for my mum for Xmas (I know I'm the best, right?) Volkl Kenja's. Anyway as it's summer here all the good techs are gone so the shop said I can use their jig and do it myself, however they dont have any tools. I am yet to get my own (next years project) but was able to borrow the right drill bit 4.1 x 9.5 and I already have a contersinking bit, but cant find a tap anywhere. Question is, if I really pressure the screws down on the first few turns will I REALLY need to tap them? I know I SHOULD but the metal in the Kenjas seems like fuck all anyway and I'm set on having them all done for Christmas. Mounting them with pivots too as she lost her right ACL this last season and it was my recommendation even though people say you cant make that claim, I say fuck em!

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    4.1x9.5 already has countersink. Not tapping has the potential for delam as the metal will want to climb the threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    4.1x9.5 already has countersink
    My 4.1mm x 9.5mm bit has a shoulder, not a countersink. Also, trimming around the ID of the drill hole is chamfering, which is different than countersinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    Not tapping has the potential for delam as the metal will want to climb the threads.
    Yup -- volcanoes happen when you don't tap metal top sheets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSteve View Post
    My 4.1mm x 9.5mm bit has a shoulder, not a countersink. Also, trimming around the ID of the drill hole is chamfering, which is different than countersinking.
    Yep, some bits have a flat collar, some have a slight chamfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee Hubbs View Post
    . . . .some have a slight chamfer.
    Yeah, I've used those too. And yeah, chamfer not countersink.

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    Now that that's put to rest can we get back to the real question. I definitely SHOULDN'T, no chance in hell mount with no tap?

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    I suppose there are some good reasons for tapping. However I've never tapped for binding screws, titanal layers or not, and have yet to get delammed layers or other problems compromising the install. But I do keep good pressure on the screwdriver (manual, I don't use machine for my limited number of hobby installs) as the screws go in, especially the first two or so turns until the threads are thoroughly engaged.

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