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  1. #3401
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    I don't think anyone could feel 1 mm

    Cool ! an even simpler way to mark ski center ^^ hold the T square against the steel edges, draw the 45 degree lines and where they intersect will be ski center so NO measuring but its always good to check by measuring

    And so you have realized a template is really not necessary, IME one can just use the actual binding as the template for the holes, the bigger question is where to put those pieces fore-aft on the ski ?

    For the toe its easier, so I find and mark the boot center on the boot, I use the square on ski top to line the boot center up with ski center or where ever I want boot center to be on the ski, mark and drill

    After the toe where to mount the heel is more of a head scratcher, or more acurately where to have the rear binding in its adjustment range when you drill is where a template is nice but not necessary, take/make the measurement between front and rear screw holes the same on either ski, if I can measure that distance on a shop mounted ski that the binding had been mounted on I will use that
    Yep, that's exactly what I do when it comes to boot center and toe piece. If it's a ski that my kid (27.5) and wife (25.5) might share, I'll cheat him a half cm back of center and her a half cm forward (i.e. mount the ski for a 303 - 305mm-ish shell). I find that if I clamp the toe piece where I want it and slide the engaged heel piece onto the back of the boot with hand pressure with the binding near the upper end of it's adjustment range for the 27.5 boot, it leaves a few extra clicks of adjustment by the time forward pressure is set, and plenty of range to accommodate the shorter boot ( assuming the typical 20-24mm adjustment range).

    What a fucking terrible run-on sentence. Hopefully that made sense.

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  2. #3402
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    yeah I take a size 24 so I got a small BSL so I tend to mount the heel piece track further back to accomadate a longer BSL in the case someone wants to use them in future but really the only thing I am very interested in knowing is the measurement between front and rear screw holes

    I am mounting usually on a 185 so with a shorter BSL I will be mounting closer to the boot center than the usual 185 on a ski that is also longer which is a better situ than a tall or big person wtih big feet

    Really ski mounting is all just good layout so if you understand what is going on a template isnt so necessary

    I watched a carpenter buddy mount my skis, he had been a ski tech/ mounted thousands of ski back in the day but this was free hand and he was pretty fast
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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattig View Post

    Why not just trace the triangle from both sides and Mark where they intersect?

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  4. #3404
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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    All these methods of finding center boil down to the mounter eyeballing two spots opposite each other (side to side) on the ski: creating a “perpendicular” line to set up the measure, even the jigs aren’t foolproof in this regard

    The further apart you make your center marks on the ski, the more centered your centerline will be, assuming symmetrical edge cuts inside/outside

  5. #3405
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    I would draw a line across the ski with the T-square (from both sides if sidecut worries you ) and that line is where you start your 45 degree lines

    Always check it with the t-square before you drill anything
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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    I only tape the middle of the ski with painters tape for marking it. I am clearly doing it wrong as I see how that would work. Goals for next time

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    If you’re not finding your center down to the atomic level you’ll never be a good skier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klauss View Post
    I only tape the middle of the ski with painters tape for marking it. I am clearly doing it wrong as I see how that would work. Goals for next time
    tape it anywhere you are marking holes, even if you cover the whole top of the ski a roll of painters tape is like 2$
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  9. #3409
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    Can't imagine finding the ski's center being so hard. Using a paper template, haven't you geezers found that many of them have a centering scale on each end?? Use it!

    Tape the toe and tail piece template together in a straight line for the corresponding bsl, cut a small hole to identify the center mark on skis. Use adhesive tape on template tip and tail end. Start with toe end. Fold template over side of ski, note where the scale folds over the steel edge, repeat on other side until fold on edge match. Tape front end. Move to heel end, repeat folding exercise and tape down. Center punch hole locations through paper template.

    This procedure only requires one single mark on ski, the desired boot center location. Stop making unnecessary tools!

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    using the wrong template, printing it using wrong scale on printer, taping flacid pieces of paper togetehr, having it all shift ... hopefully YMMV but there is > one way to fuckup skinning that cat
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  11. #3411
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    using the wrong template, printing it using wrong scale on printer, taping flacid pieces of paper togetehr, having it all shift ... hopefully YMMV but there is > one way to fuckup skinning that cat
    And having a centerline drawn on the skis would counter what of the above?

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    Alright I am starting to invest in my new ski mounting setup but am going all in with a complicated setup and have got a few questions.

    I am planning on mounting a new CAST system with a second ski kit for Pivot 18s, on a pair of G3 Carbon Empires, as well as on a pair of Amplid Infrablacks. Both have carbon in 'em so im buying a 4.1x9mm ski binding bit, as well as a 3.6 to just have in the quiver. I then plan on doing quiver killers/binding freedom inserts for the heel pieces. I will purchase a 20 pack of threaded inserts, a tap handle with a binding freedom installation tap, a binding freedom installation drill bit, and a center punch.

    Is there a specific screw that i need to purchase to be compatible with either the CAST system or the Binding Freedom inserts? I know that binding freedom makes specific screws, but will I need to buy more for Pivot 18 heels or no?

    I also plan on buying a good epoxy to lock the inserts in and to plug up some old holes. Hopefully I will have a veteran with me to help for this, but I am hoping to supply all of my own tools.

    Thanks for this insightful thread, just need some more specific advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoooL View Post
    And having a centerline drawn on the skis would counter what of the above?
    well you are still going to need to figure out ski center however you do it

    so we were talking about mounting with nothing but a t-SQUARE
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  14. #3414
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    well you are still going to need to figure out ski center however you do it

    so we were talking about mounting with nothing but a t-SQUARE
    My above described method finds the ski center with no tools but the template itself, plus a dot or line on the ski for the chosen boot center. What else was unclear?

    If yer worried about taping the toe and heel template pieces crooked, then use the same ruler or straight edge that you intented to connect the ski center dots to verify the straightness of the connected template.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    tape it anywhere you are marking holes, even if you cover the whole top of the ski a roll of painters tape is like 2$
    You haven't done much painting lately.

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    well yeah but we were talking about not needing a template

    In any case you hope/assume the template is right, that the scale is perfect, that it didn't shift, that it is the correct scale/size, cuz you are not gona check any thing cuz you arent using any measuring tools ( or maybe now you are ? ) so just drill all them holes and they will be perfect ... thots and prayers eh
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher View Post
    You haven't done much painting lately.

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    yeah just cover the binding area

    I buy it in 6 roll packs hopefuly for anything but painting

    what do you buy it by the foot, are you fucking scottish or something ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    yeah just cover the binding area

    I buy it in 6 roll packs hopefuly for anything but painting

    what do you buy it by the foot, are you fucking scottish or something ?
    SCOTCH-IRISH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozzey View Post
    Alright I am starting to invest in my new ski mounting setup but am going all in with a complicated setup and have got a few questions.

    I am planning on mounting a new CAST system with a second ski kit for Pivot 18s, on a pair of G3 Carbon Empires, as well as on a pair of Amplid Infrablacks. Both have carbon in 'em so im buying a 4.1x9mm ski binding bit, as well as a 3.6 to just have in the quiver. I then plan on doing quiver killers/binding freedom inserts for the heel pieces. I will purchase a 20 pack of threaded inserts, a tap handle with a binding freedom installation tap, a binding freedom installation drill bit, and a center punch.

    Is there a specific screw that i need to purchase to be compatible with either the CAST system or the Binding Freedom inserts? I know that binding freedom makes specific screws, but will I need to buy more for Pivot 18 heels or no?

    I also plan on buying a good epoxy to lock the inserts in and to plug up some old holes. Hopefully I will have a veteran with me to help for this, but I am hoping to supply all of my own tools.

    Thanks for this insightful thread, just need some more specific advice.
    M5 flat head pozi. And yes, you need those for any binding that will ride the ski. I don't know what length off the top of my head. Buy the ones that are made for the job. I haven't seen those locking ridges on the underside elsewhere.

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    Probably going to mount a FKS+CAST setup in the upcoming weeks w/ a jigarex+plates.

    Anything in particular I should be aware of when mounting this whether it's CAST or FKS related?

    I know FKS has minimal BSL adjustment relative to others which is why I ask. Figure the Jigarex may help avoid any issues but want to double check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyskirat View Post
    Probably going to mount a FKS+CAST setup in the upcoming weeks w/ a jigarex+plates.

    Anything in particular I should be aware of when mounting this whether it's CAST or FKS related?

    I know FKS has minimal BSL adjustment relative to others which is why I ask. Figure the Jigarex may help avoid any issues but want to double check.
    Setting forward pressure on them is a little fiddlier than some other bindings but it's not rocket surgery. The indicator on the heel kind of sucks and is an unreliable gauge, but there are some good guides on how to do it on here, do a search. Other than that it's not really harder than anything else.

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    Yeah, I know how to set the forward pressure, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some inane approach to mounting them due to their relative lack of adjustment.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pembyguy View Post
    Looks like you were shiyterz. You’ve mounted one to the bench. Double ipa no doubt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SirVicSmasher View Post
    You haven't done much painting lately.

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    No kidding. That shit is expensive. I use regular masking tape.

  24. #3424
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    Has anyone mounted G3 FINDr skis? G3 is saying I should use a 3.5 mm bit, but the graphics on their site show a Titanal mounting plate in the ski, leading me to think I should use a 4.1 mm bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyskirat View Post
    Yeah, I know how to set the forward pressure, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some inane approach to mounting them due to their relative lack of adjustment.

    Thanks
    To 100% make sure it's right: test mount a 2x4, set forward pressure, measure distance between back toe holes to front heel holes, confirm where you are in the arm adjustment and adjust heel placement if necessary to get back into the middle of the adjustment range.

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