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  1. #3026
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    How noticeable binding position is changes a lot from ski to ski. Some skis I don't notice it at all. Some skis .5 cm is noticeable.
    I agree with this 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Ya the chamfered part on a real mounting bit ^^ is under the step and that is all the material that needs to be removed,
    Depends on the bit.

    The bit I have has a flat shoulder and isn't chamfered... which is why I have the other taper bit in my kit.

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    maybe if you are greg from alpinezone skiing some sweet eastern pow ( AKA glare ice ) you can feel half a cm but this aint that SO i gotta call bulshit
    Last edited by XXX-er; 11-27-2019 at 10:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitamin I View Post
    On some skis, I can feel a difference of 0.4cm. But still I put WAY higher priority on dodging old holes than positioning the bindings at my precise favorite position.

    Also, when the hole conflict is in the heel only, then you can often drill the heel 0.7-1.0cm away from what a jig indicates (to dodge old holes), and then just adjust the mounted heel piece 0.7-1.0cm to compensate. No need to move the toe piece, if no hole conflict in the toes---in which case your boot center stays where you wanted it, even though you drilled the heel 0.7-1.0cm away from what a jig indicates.

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    Somehow never thought of this. Great idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    maybe if you are greg from alpinezone skiing some sweet eastern pow ( AKA glare ice ) you can feel half a cm but this aint that SO i gotta call bulshit
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    Mounted my own fucking skis. QST99+Shifts
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    good example of a chamfered hole ... that ain't gona volcano
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    good example of a chamfered hole ... that ain't gona volcano
    No need to go that deep, he's removed some titanal which reduced the pullout strength. Just remove the topsheet material.

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    Isn't titanal below that white layer? Didn't clean topsheet before chamfering holes (with dull 10mm drill bit) so there is some titanal chips.

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    Mounted my buddy's fucking Lotus 124 Alchemists with Radical 2's. today. Don't worry, not a dentist - he got them at 50% off. Heavier than I thought at 2140 grams in 185. Very nice looking ski, I have to say.

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    Lithic Faction Arlo Candide 120 3.0

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    Another mounting spree before the holiday. Old Sally wormscrews on 5 more old ski models.
    - Head Boneshaker 191cm 2013, Salomon S916
    - Atomic Big Daddy 125 190cm 2009, Salomon 997 DIN=14
    - Rossignol Axiom 183cm 1994-98? (painted black by previous owner), Salomon 977 DIN=14
    - Stockli Stormrider 110 TT 192cm 2012-13, Salomon 977 DIN=14
    - RMU North Shore 195cm 2014, Salomon 957 DIN=14
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    - TRADE your heavy BILLYGOATS or PROTESTS for my lightweight versions at this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanIdar View Post
    Isn't titanal below that white layer? Didn't clean topsheet before chamfering holes (with dull 10mm drill bit) so there is some titanal chips.
    Salomon's graphic shows the titanal just below the topsheet - https://www.evo.com/outlet/skis/salo...gaAsztEALw_wcB

    Not sure what else would be on top of it, but you still don't need to go that deep to avoid volcano-ing. Even if you tap the holes and a bit of material comes up, just shave it off with a blade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    maybe if you are greg from alpinezone skiing some sweet eastern pow ( AKA glare ice ) you can feel half a cm but this aint that SO i gotta call bulshit
    Skepticism can be a healthy thing. But it's weird to me when people believe that a wacky little skill like this is hard for a human to achieve. Reminds me of the early days of Blister when Jonathan seemed to believe things like that humans were incapable of significantly shortening a "palette cleansing" period between testing multiple ski models. Humans have like 80 years of lifespan to work on stupid little wacky skills, so yeah---humans are capable of stuff like this.

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    Who needs inserts when you have titanal? Just as tight as the first time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by prsboogie View Post
    Thanks, it can't hurt. Waiting on new brakes to finish my mount (L9 sent the wrong ones 🤦&#127995 and see what happens.

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    So I got the brakes in and all is well. I ended up removing the heels, cleaning up a couple small volcanoes on two screws. I ended up cross screwing them back on, so I mean one front threw the brake then one rear on ethe opposite side and back to the brake etc. It worked on both heels and they are near flush on all 8 screws. Appreciate all the feedback.

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    Remounted Renoun Endurance 98's to see if it will reduce tip dipping in stiffer and deeper snows. -3.8cm seemed to far back & -2cm seems better and hopefully not lose their sweet carving ability and playfulness.

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    Mounted these a few weeks ago.

    How does 4FRNT measure from the tail to rec line? Straight pull on these was just under 870 mm (same as Blister states). 4FRNT website states 880 mm. Click image for larger version. 

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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    I committed a sin and didnít mount my own skis, I opted to let the shop at winter park mount a new pair we picked up for my wife while we were in the area.

    On these attacks they mounted, the front end of the heel plate (right under the brake) has a pretty large gap. Should this be cause for concern? Itís about 1/4 inch.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdalpra View Post
    I committed a sin and didnít mount my own skis, I opted to let the shop at winter park mount a new pair we picked up for my wife while we were in the area.

    On these attacks they mounted, the front end of the heel plate (right under the brake) has a pretty large gap. Should this be cause for concern? Itís about 1/4 inch.




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    Pull the brake off and see what's going on underneath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniacman129 View Post
    Pull the brake off and see what's going on underneath?
    Very helpful and insightful, thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cdalpra View Post
    Very helpful and insightful, thank you.


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    Not sure if that was supposed to be sarcastic or not.
    Point is there is no way to tell what's happening there. If those have the big brake assemblies like I think they do it may just be installed improperly OR the actual base plate is mounted wrong/obstructed from sitting flush.

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    PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

    Quote Originally Posted by pyromaniacman129 View Post
    Not sure if that was supposed to be sarcastic or not.
    Point is there is no way to tell what's happening there. If those have the big brake assemblies like I think they do it may just be installed improperly OR the actual base plate is mounted wrong/obstructed from sitting flush.
    Nah.

    Iím pulling them apart now. I know the attacks have the fully lined bottom assembly, and shining a light on the opening doesnít visibly show any obstruction. Didnít think that internal brake components maybe a potential cause.

    Iím also curious if the actual base plate is warped because the screws themselves seem flush from plate to ski.

    Regardless 1/4in rise seems too much, my rule of thumb has always been 1/8in. Curious if this has happened to anyone else with attacks with maybe a warped baseplate or something along those lines, because ultimately her heel will always be lifted in the bindings.

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    I've seen a number of Tyrolia heels that have bent metal base plates. Remove the heel and straighten the base in a vice. The tech/shop should've spotted that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyderjon View Post
    I've seen a number of Tyrolia heels that have bent metal base plates. Remove the heel and straighten the base in a vice. The tech/shop should've spotted that.
    How big of a gap is beyond the typical tolerance level? I just mounted a pair of Tyrolia's for a friend of mine that have a ~2mm gap between the heel base plate and the ski on one of the rear corners.

    The screws are snugged down as far as they will go and I've confirmed that I don't have volcanoes on any of the holes.

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