WEED, The Official Thread

[teletech]

He does need bigger pots though. I start in 5 g and move to 20g soft pots. They did not do as good the year I used 20g to start. They are still movable in the fall in case we get a ton of rain at that size. I’ve always been scared to top them. But I produce way more then I can go through until next year

[TBS]

Don't fucking lecture me on PAR lumens or what "commercial growers" do for their fucking businesses. I'm trying to show you assclowns how to increase your yields, and all I see are, "What I do is..." - so fucking what? You don't pull a kilo/light with legal plant numbers, so stfu and maybe learn how.

1. No such thing as PAR Lumens. Different measurements of photonic energy.
2. It’s easy to get a kg per 500w LED. Just veg a long time. And Scrog to keep bud height the same.

This is 4.5lb of Durban Poison under a 500w light

[highangle]

lol, you sure seem hell bent on being the expert here but sure i can explain what i meant above

manifold is cool, i didnt say its not a good strategy, i said it doesnt take advantage of some of the benefits of growing outdoor which might be beneficial for a beginner

its meant to create an even canopy, something not as necessary with natural sunlight
its meant to control height and growth, something not as necessary with outdoor space and growing in soil or larger mediums

it isnt that its BAD, when done well it produces great results, and with proper planning of timing and strains it should create more yield i agree

Try it. This wouldn't be such an abstract discussion if you knew what I was talking about.

its that for a beginner grower its overly complicated and introduces more risk than necessary
its not uncommon for beginners to poorly top and train their plants and end up killing them, which yields nothing

so with a beginner growing outside my opinion is introducing advanced techniques is not as beneficial and instead focusing on what outdoor does provide that makes a grow easier would be a better strategy

the cost of any training technique is time, and looking at those clones and the date on the calendar without knowing location and not being familiar with strain i would guess that to manifold and then allow grow back would put them into flower far later than desired for harvest date

thus getting growth going now and getting them as big as possible may actually yield better than a more aggressive approach

if you disagree with that ok, but my experience has been its better to have a healthy plant thats not perfectly trained than it is to try to maximize yield and fuck it all up, you can always do better next time

It's not hard: Ys until buds

You don't have to chop off 90% of the plant at once either, but once you get the concept of giving the plant no option but to grow big fat buds, it's easier. The plant's happy to comply! Like you say, "It's a weed."

for the record i think my best yield indoor was from a 8wk strain a ran to 9 with roughly 10oz from 135w in a 4x4 space with another 2-3oz fluff buds into hash, certainly not pro but i was proud of that run
ive been struggling with my new 200w light as its putting off more heat than expected and i dont have enough exhaust flow to keep up, lots of lessons to learn and now im improving another notch

nothing is absolute with growing, people swore by flushing for years and many still do, but ask a botanist or farmer and they will laugh in your face, give all internet gospel a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to cannabis

I doubt you need to flush too. But I've let PPMs get too high in a 'dro gro and ruined buds. Nasty and bitter, hung in your throat. Vinyl chloride monomer, or burnt teflon, would have been more enjoyable.
Moreover, I've used some nute scheds where plants barely show any fade after 2 weeks of water, and some where the plants look dead before a 2 week flush was complete. [more slow release nitrogen component in the chemistry vs less?]

How much weight is a person actually losing with 2 weeks straight water before chop anyway? ...


My last pull with 600w HPS* filled 48 quart widemouth mason jars way fuller than you want for cure, and 2 gallon ice cream buckets with little rock buds size of my thumb and smaller. About a half a brown paper grocery bag full of sugar leaf. No idea how much it weighs.


*last 4/9 weeks were 1kw

[MakersTeleMark]

There is enough weed porn in the last two pages to feed a nation of wooks. Jebus. I respect what you are doing here.

I just wish there was a way to grow tomatoes outside at 9k feet.

[Ski220]

There is enough weed porn in the last two pages to feed a nation of wooks. Jebus. I respect what you are doing here.

I just wish there was a way to grow tomatoes outside at 9k feet.

You probably could grow tomatoes @ 9k, with work. Choose a short early bearing variety cherry i.e. "Sun Gold".
Make up some large cloth bags and cover every night. Water every day.
Just a thought. I live @ 50'.

Lots of interesting stuff the last two pages indeed !
Nice link Highangle. Thanks.
As an outdoor hobby grower, I'm trying to maximize quality not quantity. Medical weed is
cheap and potent here.
I used to pinch twice to get 4 main stems. This year I'm trying out some auto- flower varieties.
Low seed viability seems to be the issue with these. If I get a few more sprouts I'll try mainlining one.
Just not sure how much root mass you get with a 12 week grow cycle plant.

[highangle]

You probably could grow tomatoes @ 9k, with work. Choose a short early bearing variety cherry i.e. "Sun Gold".
Make up some large cloth bags and cover every night. Water every day.
Just a thought. I live @ 50'.

Lots of interesting stuff the last two pages indeed !
Nice link Highangle. Thanks.
As an outdoor hobby grower, I'm trying to maximize quality not quantity. Medical weed is
cheap and potent here.
I used to pinch twice to get 4 main stems. This year I'm trying out some auto- flower varieties.
Low seed viability seems to be the issue with these. If I get a few more sprouts I'll try mainlining one.
Just not sure how much root mass you get with a 12 week grow cycle plant.

It prob won't set you back. Every time you snip a mainlined plant, you take above-ground mass and leave root mass [aka growth energy]. The plant will grow faster to catch up, or rebalance. The more tops get pinched, the more excess root mass and the more energy the plant puts into growing to rebalance.


I got zero experience with autoflowers, but it seems like you want to feed them a high enough EC to maximize their size before they start to flower. I wouldn't mess with H3ad formula, for example, but would prefer heavier Lucas with it's 1.2-1.4 EC [Canna and Advanced recommended mixes have similar higher EC as well].

Seems like you'd want autos to get as big as they can before they start setting buds.


Edit: Higher feed rates demand higher root O2. One way to ensure this, especially with multifeed, is to add H2O2 [hydrogen peroxide] to the feed or rez. Roots need O2. Nominally higher O2 in the root zone is hella beneficial, and the prime reason hydro & coco yields more than dirt all else being equal.

As long as you don't overdo it, organic growers can benefit from h2o2 as well, since one unstable H2O2 molecule breaks down to 1 H2O + 1 O2 molecule 24-48hrs after it's introduced into a sufficient molar mass of a new solvent [like water].
Maybe 1/2 cup of $1/qt Walmart 3% hydrogen peroxide per gallon of pure water. Too light to fizz your precious mycorrizae, but enough to raise the ambient O2 in your root zone over time.

[highangle]

also worth noting is i grow from clone and not seed, so the growth traits are different, from seed you may find more need for topping im just not familiar enough to know and do what works for me

That's a great point: Getting a good Y from an apical meristem calls for slightly different techniques than younger non-offset nodes. The links cover it, but 1. snip it early, right as the new node is forming and, 2. LST to make the 2nd node from the top the dominant [highest on the branch] until it catches up to the 1st, then top both the 1st and 2nd to form the Y. As those 2 stems grow, the main will begin to resemble a proper Y, and the nutrient flow in those stems will tend to balance itself.

Bare stems with Ys is what maximizes nutrient pathways to the main colas. It's those maximized nutrient highways with no exits that allow the plant to make best use of enhanced light penetration to grow rockets and donkey dicks indoors and hairy elephant dicks outdoors.

[TBS]

@Singlecross -
As Forty points out, there's a bunch of ways to skin the cannabis cat.

You have six plants - try manifolding one, pinch and screen one, lollypop one, leave one to nature (and string to keep limbs from breaking) etc. See what provides the greatest yield/effort ratio for you.

[JongDoe]

1. No such thing as PAR Lumens. Different measurements of photonic energy.
2. It’s easy to get a kg per 500w LED. Just veg a long time. And Scrog to keep bud height the same.

This is 4.5lb of Durban Poison under a 500w light

Lots of good looking weed in this thread but this is insane.

[Bunion 2020]

Worthy of a High Times centerfold.

https://hightimes.com/culture/the-art-of-potography/

[singlecross]

Thanks for the info everyone…

I took off everything above the third nodes and will see where we go from there. Those are already 5 gallon pots and are mobile in the wagons for now to move around the yard for full sun all day. I don’t think I’ll go too crazy but may experiment more aggressively with a couple plants. I’m content to be a hobby grower and also de-stigmatize Marijuana with my teens by showing them the natural process for the healing of the Nation. I do play them music and talk to them so that must help.

[TBS]

I’m content to be a hobby grower and also de-stigmatize Marijuana with my teens by showing them the natural process for the healing of the Nation. I do play them music and talk to them so that must help.

Music and talking to the plants or the kids?

[singlecross]

Music and talking to the plants or the kids?

Both! They all seem to be growing well.

[Ski220]

F’n animals !



Had been moving it around in the cart for max sun.
It was right next to my house yesterday.

Guess I’m manifolding (or whatever) this one.
Autoflower. Guess I’ll find out how it reacts.

[riser4]

Worthy of a High Times centerfold.

https://hightimes.com/culture/the-art-of-potography/

Tied stick.

[Ski220]

GG autoflower & LSD autoflower
GG about a week away from harvest
LSD starting to bud up.

[TBS]

Is that GG the one that was munched on a month ago? Seems to have recovered OK…

[riser4]

Nice wagon.

[Ski220]

Is that GG the one that was munched on a month ago? Seems to have recovered OK…

Funny thing is …. The LSD was munched by a deer. Has recovered well enough.
The GG was in my fenced garden. A rabbit dug under and in. Ate all my Swiss Chard and Beets. Chopped off 5 lower branches just as it was starting to bud. Did not eat them. Just left them there lying in the dirt.
Almost went ‘Farmer Brown’ on it but I wasn’t going to eat it, so let live. Maybe a hungry fox or hawk will enjoy it.

[riser4]

Funny thing is …. The LSD was munched by a deer. Has recovered well enough.
The GG was in my fenced garden. A rabbit dug under and in. Ate all my Swiss Chard and Beets. Chopped off 5 lower branches just as it was starting to bud. Did not eat them. Just left them there lying in the dirt.
Almost went ‘Farmer Brown’ on it but I wasn’t going to eat it, so let live. Maybe a hungry fox or hawk will enjoy it.

Hasenpfeffer.

[Bunion 2020]

Went into another dispensary AKA "Weed Shoppe" last Sunday, $ 7.00 for a 1 Gram pre-roll (Sunday Special). Legal weed is awesome.

[singlecross]

Went into another dispensary AKA "Weed Shoppe" last Sunday, $ 7.00 for a 1 Gram pre-roll (Sunday Special). Legal weed is awesome.

My Maine local has $100 oz specials everyday of top shelf nugs with a Med card. Awesome indeed.

$6-12 a gram out of the case with usually 20-25 strains to choose from.

[Ski220]

Need more pics !
Let’s see your budz.

Starting to harvest some autoflower.

[SoVT Joey]

Just finished my 5th cycle of Grandpa’s Mouth Odor, the original GMO. Its Grand Daddy Purp crossed with Sour D, then crossed again with Sour D, then crossed with Girl Scout Cookies, then crossed back to Sour D.

So it’s a grand daddy purp x sour d x2 x GSC x sour D

Oh and all organic 63 day cycle under 1600 watts of LED.

[riser4]

Just finished my 5th cycle of Grandpa’s Mouth Odor, the original GMO. Its Grand Daddy Purp crossed with Sour D, then crossed again with Sour D, then crossed with Girl Scout Cookies, then crossed back to Sour D.

So it’s a grand daddy purp x sour d x2 x GSC x sour D

Oh and all organic 63 day cycle under 1600 watts of LED.

What's the yield per plant?