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10-23-2019, 12:02 PM #101
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10-23-2019, 12:37 PM #102Registered User
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Although written in 2018, the stud verses stud less data is very old. Nokian has been updating the technology involved in the use of studs considerably since 1994 and 2001. He touts the great advances in stud less designs, but does not mention the advances in studded tires since 2001. That fact makes me dubious of the accuracy of this article.
I have been using Nokiaan Hakks studded since version 1, and am amazed at how good they are, but am looking at stud less this year due to changing weather conditions. Den
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10-23-2019, 12:50 PM #103
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10-23-2019, 04:04 PM #104Gel-powered Tech bindings
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Depends on the Blizzak model:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiret...echid=116#lm22
... since the LM line, like this current model:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...lizzak%20LM001
... is all just one compound, whereas the WS line, like this current model:
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...l=Blizzak+WS90
... still has the dual-compound design:
"Blizzak WS90 tires feature snow platforms that act as winter wear bars and notify drivers when they are near the end of the Multi-Cell compound (actual depth of Multi-Cell compound varies slightly by tire size). Beneath the Multi-Cell compound is Bridgestone's best winter compound, but without the Multi-Cell feature."Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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10-23-2019, 04:32 PM #105Registered User
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Yeah. The WS series are not as good as new but better then an A/S.
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10-23-2019, 05:08 PM #106Registered User
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10-23-2019, 05:10 PM #107
Thanks for that info Jonathan.
Funny that bridgtone used to describe using a lesser compound as a "wear indicator" like it's a feature.
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10-23-2019, 07:26 PM #108Gel-powered Tech bindings
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Heh, yes, very true!
Although overall it does make sense for the WS series models, since if you're driving a classically chunky winter tire like that, wouldn't want to keep using the tire for winter beyond that level of tread depth.
Plus I wonder if whether making the entire tread depth out of the multi-cell compound would lead to unacceptable levels of tread squirm?
(At the other end of the spectrum, only about a week or so under Town Fair Tire expects to be able to obtain the Vredestein Wintrac Pro for the wimpy winters we have here in New England, where rain and slush are more typical, unless you live on a more rural road.)Mo' skimo here: NE Rando Race Series
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10-24-2019, 11:03 AM #109
Sales guy at TireRack told me they're supposed to sell them with TPMS. Then asked "do you have a set of TPMS that you plan to mount yourself?" I answered "no, I'll just cover the light with electrical tape." So he asked me again, pointing out that he needed a better answer. Worked fine. Tires arrived this weekend, getting mounted today. Naturally, its going to hit 90 degrees here today.
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10-24-2019, 12:14 PM #110Registered User
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10-24-2019, 02:10 PM #111
I like the piece of mind of TPMS but damn $240. Ouch.
I get around 3-4 seasons on my nokians and they are worth every penny when I can ski and other folks are in the ditch. But they will not help when the jackknifing AS yahoo blocks the road.
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10-24-2019, 10:43 PM #112
Thanks for all the input. Bought the Hakk 8s.
Did you know that Hakkapiilita is the name of an elite 17th century Finnish light cavalry regiment. It means “Hack them to pieces”
Decided to forgo studs. Ice isn’t a big issue here, other than a few spicy roundabouts in Bend.
Oh yea, Discount Tire will not mount the tires without TPMS valves. Fed law. I could probably figure out how to get around the regs, but would prolly end up costing more than the valves.
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10-24-2019, 10:53 PM #113
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10-24-2019, 10:57 PM #114
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10-24-2019, 11:16 PM #115
Snows mounted. Along with mud flaps.
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I'm a cougar, not a MILF! I have to protect my rep! - bklyn
In any case, if you're ever really in this situation make sure you at least bargain in a couple of fluffers.
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11-17-2019, 03:03 PM #116
Do you, or anyone else, know if the Blizzak LT has the full multi-cell compound?
I've been looking on tire rack and the Bridgestone website and can't find that info.
It looks like a commercial designed tire but I have a line locally on a used set for what might be a good price.
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11-19-2019, 05:44 PM #117Registered User
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I see everyone here's pretty set on their "big three" tire selection, but I thought I'd jump in to give a plug for the set I ran for the past three winters on my 2015 Forester, General Altimax Artics. Those things had a heck of a lot of grip in deep and hard-packed snow. I've driven past a fair number of struggling vehicles in these past three seasons to attest to the quality of these snow tires. The only drawbacks were: (1) They get noticeably worse gas mileage (5--10%, iirc); and, (2) They were pretty noisy. I thought that these were minor given the grip those things had.
The new version of the tire is named the "Altimax Artic 12 Studdable" (the former version was also stubbable), so they're at the top of my list for replacing my older rev here in the next couple of weeks. Oh, and they're pretty reasonably priced as well, just in case that matters.
Good luck!
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john
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11-19-2019, 06:01 PM #118Registered User
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First off, no experience with this tire, but...
You mentioned not being impressed with past winter tires. Unless you are driving a 3/4 or 1 ton then these most likely won't impress you either. They have to stand up to the heavier weights, torque, etc of those trucks so they generally need to have a tougher tread compound to match. That usually means reduced winter performance compared to P-metric winter tires.
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11-19-2019, 07:03 PM #119
Actually I was impressed with my all weathers last season but that's in comparison to a winter tire of unknown "goodness".
I ended up buying these tires and we got a pretty decent snow here. I was pleased with them but there were one or 2 places of packed ice where I was sliding a bit.
I took my mum's corolla with studded hakkapeliita's and I was sliding as much or more as my truck with the blizzak LT, and in the same manner of slide.
In deep slushy snow they were amazing! Have 16/32 of tread depth is probably why they work so well there.
So summary is I'm pretty impressed with the tires so far.
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11-19-2019, 07:09 PM #120Registered User
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11-19-2019, 10:14 PM #121Registered User
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how well do studs do and last if you are mostly banging the wood roads, e.g. hunting during bad weather?
def not better than chains right (e.g. fresh 18" of snow)?
any experience?
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11-19-2019, 11:23 PM #122
Run regular tires and chain up. No brainer.
For everyday use in ice/packed glossy shit, studs win.
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11-19-2019, 11:54 PM #123
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11-20-2019, 07:52 AM #124
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11-20-2019, 09:21 AM #125
Re: icy forest service roads.
A wise man once told me, "Carry chains for all 4 but only put one set on. If you get stuck use the other set to get the fuck out of there". Sound wisdom IME.Why must I feel like that, why must I chase the cat?
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