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11-23-2012, 07:36 PM #176
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11-23-2012, 08:12 PM #177
Nope, that would imply that you're breaking the arms early which essentially removes your legs and lats from the equation. It's all about connection between your big muscles and the handle.
What I mean by catching while rolling forward applies only to rowing on the water and it's just a blade placement strategy. The goal is to have your blade fully in the water when you're at full compression since then you can apply pressure to the face of the blade for as long as possible. If you come all the way up to the catch and then place the blade, you're going to use either your legs, arms, or body to get the blade in the water since it's the only way to keep up with the speed of the boat, and then you find yourself starting to apply pressure when your legs are already halfway down. That's why when you watch good rowing you see backsplash at the catch. You want to think of your hands as coming up basically right after you square your blade over your toes, since that way you can have the blade in the water and locked on while still having all of your legs, body angle, and straight arms. That allows you to lever the boat as much as possible
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12-07-2012, 06:20 AM #178
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12-07-2012, 09:55 AM #179Registered User
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Anyone using the WaterRower? (http://www.waterrower.com/)
Picked one up off of craigslist, thing is an absolute beauty of a machine, really well built and purdy to look at.
Anyway, I feel like my times are faster than what would be achieved on a Concept 2, most likely because the only way to change resistance is to add or remove water from the tank, which is not exactly something I'm going to do each workout.
I used to row at a club-level way back when, so I was never competitive, but I did at least learn proper technique. I've been ending my workouts (4000-6000m) with a quick break, and then a 1000m sprint.
My last two times for the 1000m sprint were:
3:07.9, 38spm
3:09.4, 36.5spm
So again, the SPM seems really high, but I'm wondering if the WaterRowers are biased toward faster SPM by design? Maybe I should add more water to the thing?
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12-07-2012, 10:00 AM #180Funky But Chic
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That thing could turn into a really hard workout if you left it outside in the winter.
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12-07-2012, 10:54 AM #181Registered User
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01-28-2013, 09:07 AM #182Registered User
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Question for C2 rowers:
I started rowing on a Model C a little while back - 5k per day - and I'm thinking about upgrading the performance monitor (it came with an old PM2 that just shows the basics and stores nothing). Anyone have comments on the PM3 vs. PM4? I'd like to be able to store workouts and track heart rates...
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01-28-2013, 01:15 PM #183
I usually just take a picture with my camera phone to keep track of times
They do have these log cards to track stuff on a PM2.
I don't think they track heartrates tho.
http://www.concept2.com/indoor-rower...sories/logcard
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01-28-2013, 05:36 PM #184Funky But Chic
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PM3 has the log card to store times/dates/splits but nothing for heart rate that I've ever noticed (but I don't have a pulse monitor, so that may be why).
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10-25-2013, 01:41 PM #185
I put an ad up on craigslist 2 weeks ago. Passed on one for 700, but picked up a D, with PM4 today for 600. Barely used, HR monitor and all. There was 300k on the log card.
Just takes patience.
BIke is in storage for the winter, so I will shoot for 3x a week, plus a couple short runs. Maybe 20k a week?
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10-25-2013, 02:02 PM #186Funky But Chic
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Obviously pace is key but 20K a week is a good amount of work. Lately I've been doing timed workouts and using watts instead of meters and I've been enjoying it (you can still see how many meters you rowed by switching the display afterwards). Maybe it's just because it's a change of pace but for some reason it seems easier to just block out that piece of time and go for it rather than set a distance and do that. Probably the novelty will wear off but it's been a few weeks and it hasn't yet, you might try it. I like the display that has the bar chart of watt output, you can really see instantly when you're starting to dog it, it's good motivation for me. My mind tends to wander mid-row and it when it does I slack, the visual reminder brings me back to what I'm doing
edit: mine is a PM3, not sure you have that display on the PM4 but there must be something similar (and a little bit better!)
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10-26-2013, 01:47 PM #187Registered User
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I picked up rowing (on the water) about 4 months ago after moving by a river with a very active rowing scene. The erg bores me to tears, my 2k (free rate) is 7:50 (1:57/500), we have 15 year old girls pulling 7:20ish – it is pretty humbling. You can get away with murder on the erg: if you rush the slide, don't get your blades in before stopping the slide, are not clean getting them out or wobble the boat you get nowhere fast. Some really big fat guys can also get good erg scores but in the boat you have to haul that weight along. One good thing to do for erg work is cap the rate and work in different bands:
UT2 = training at upto 55% of your maximum heart rate
UT1 = training at upto 75% of your maximum heart rate
AT = 75 - 85 % of your maximum heart rate (lactate training)
TR = Flat out 85% to maximum
Going in I had no idea how hard rowing (well, sculling in my case) actually was. Apparently I learned quickly and my balance seems to be extremely good compared to others that started at the same time which I am sure is from learning skiing as a kid. Some people never really seem to be able to sit the boat properly and after 2 years at it and still wobbling unable to keep the blades of the water. Keeping a boat balanced and have the boat move well requires quite a lot of skill and it is a sport that you really need good coaching for.
It is a fun with a good amount of variation from singles to crew boats, sculling and sweep. Best of all it is cheap as anything since almost no one owns their own boats. Definitely a sport for big people if you want to compete though.
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10-26-2013, 02:19 PM #188
i think he just called you fat, ice.
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10-27-2013, 06:22 AM #190Funky But Chic
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10-27-2013, 12:31 PM #191Registered User
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I think it is something that slowly improves as your body figures it out. Other than getting the hands away/body over quickly to get weight onto the feet it just seems to be time on the water. I find one of the biggest things that helps is to try and relax which is sometimes hard when you also have to concentrate on sitting up tall.
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10-27-2013, 06:42 PM #192Funky But Chic
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Glad you're enjoying the boat, guy. I've been rowing probably longer than you've been alive and I still love it. But when you disparage the erg remember that it does not lie. If you are slow you are not getting the work done. Period. Kinda sucks for you that young girls and fat guys can do more work than you but there it is.
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01-22-2020, 10:11 PM #193
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01-23-2020, 08:12 AM #195Funky But Chic
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Yeah I'm still on it pretty much every day. I don't go that far but I go pretty hard. I cut down the amount of time on the rower to spend more time with free weights (mostly dumbbells) but rowing's definitely still an important part of my fitness routine.
No idea how the numbers translate from Concept2 to your machine AD (maybe they're equal, I dunno) but 3500 meters at a 2:07 pace is moving right along on my machine for sure
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01-23-2020, 08:43 AM #196
I did a couple searches to see if there were any comparisons and at least one person said they could go faster on a water rower (although not my brand). I think I'll try a 2k for time sometime in the next week. Also need to make sure my technique is good before I get any ingrained bad habits. I'm in good aerobic shape due to swimming, but obviously rowing is a different animal. It's easy to lay off the legs in swimming, not so much in rowing!
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01-23-2020, 09:53 AM #197
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01-23-2020, 10:20 AM #198
Bought an old used waterrower this summer. Needed a new tank and a few other things to get it going. Just started rowing and love it, but man I'm glad a friend hooked me up with a laptop stand to watch something as the time passes. I have a tweaked glute right now, and it's been snowing, so it's likely 4 weeks until I put in more than 15 minutes of reps on the thing.
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01-23-2020, 10:48 AM #199
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