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Thread: School a JONG
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08-15-2011, 12:33 PM #26Registered User
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3 Types of boater:
Those that can roll;
Those that can't;
Those that don't need to.
If you wanna be the latter, learn to read the water. Where it's going, what it will do to you, where you want to go, what will help you to get there.
Paddle forward, go forward, lean forward. Take a stroke off the lip of drops, and land on a stroke. Lean forwards. Keep a paddle blade in the water at all times.
Don't be scared about having the boat on edge - it's usually better than having it flat.
Use all of your body, not just your arms.
Learn to roll anyway.
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08-22-2011, 10:15 PM #27
Read William Nealy's Kayak.
Take a class. Not just a roll class. A kayaking class.
Always always always think safety first or you will die sooner than some of my friends have kayaking.
At some point take a swift water rescue class if you get Hooked, but a good kayaking class should teach you a sufficient amount of rescue skills to get you started.
If you aspire to boat the shit then forget about buying a creek boat for at least a year or probably many since you live wisconsin and not somewhere with year round high quality easy access boating. Get a playboat and play and run fun easy rivers in it.
Buy used stuff sure.
Have fun. Kayaking is the shit.No matter where you go, there you are. - BB
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08-23-2011, 12:34 AM #28
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08-23-2011, 11:33 AM #29
Awesome video Root!!!!
It's been 4 weeks-Jer should be running class IV by now.
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08-27-2011, 06:15 AM #30Registered User
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09-01-2011, 01:07 PM #31management problem
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Just saw this thread. I would add one suggestion to help develope basic skills: Practice paddling upstream.
This will help teach you to read water and currents, improve most of your basic strokes and boat control and give you a good work out even on a pretty mellow stream. If you go out with an accomplished paddler you will immediately be able to see the difference in skills by how much more work you are doing going upstream."I just want to thank everyone who made this day necessary." -Yogi Berra
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11-18-2011, 02:11 PM #32
Bump for discussion emailed to me recently: http://boatertalk.com/forum/BoaterTalk/1052325900/
So relevant in so many ways...
Originally Posted by Boatertalk user "920"
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11-18-2011, 02:55 PM #33
^^Good stuff. NlytenedOne is a much better kayaker than I'll ever be, but I disagree with his views on the back deck roll (as does EJ and many others), but that is a discussion for another thread...
Montani Semper Liberi
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11-18-2011, 03:22 PM #34
lulz - the "school a jong" reply i posted a while back was never meant to be taken very seriously (i'm a class II boater who's just too lazy to punch out...and besides - this is the internetz).
the back deck roll, paddling clubs, and full-face helmets all work just dandy when used properly.
heck, even boatertalk.com could be helpful (if they ever could get the most recent thread activity to the top). or not.
ps - don't swim in the creek!Last edited by NlytendOne; 11-18-2011 at 03:35 PM.
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12-12-2011, 09:47 PM #35trenchman
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i like this learn to roll philosophy.
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12-14-2011, 03:28 AM #36
Damn solid post, Coldwater. Sums it up with finesse and TRUTH.
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EDIT: Reading this again, I agree with everything except the one about not to be scared about having the boat on edge. Okay, I agree with that...nothing to be scared of. But I DON'T agree with what you said after: "it's usully better than having it flat."
I think in terms of bouyancy, center of mass and center of effort, flat is better. You're upright and ready for the next set of rapids (or waves, if sea-kayaking). While you're upright, you're at maximum bouyancy. When you're off that centerline (on edge, dug in, heeled over, on your side, keeled over...whatever you want to call it), you are that much closer to that capsizing point. So that is not necessarily a good thing.
But you are right that one shouldn't be scared of being on edge....and in some cases it IS better, as you'll have less draft (just like heeling sailboat) to get over certain creek bottom rock obstacle. Don't be scared of it...learn how to use it as a tactic.
But still, it's not 'usually' better.
--Last edited by Alaskan Rover; 12-14-2011 at 10:20 PM.
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