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Thread: Snow for the Euros.
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01-30-2018, 11:33 AM #15951
with out stating the obvious things could have been a lot different. I bet you were doing some 5p 10p. glad to be able to hear you telling us the story
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01-30-2018, 12:19 PM #15952
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01-30-2018, 01:21 PM #15953
there was something/someone looking out for you, 10 mins either way I don't want or need to say the out come. you're an experience mountain guy, I think it would have been a different ending had someone without your experience been in there.
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01-30-2018, 01:29 PM #15954Registered User
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01-30-2018, 02:44 PM #15955
Cheers dudes, I appreciate your kind words. I didn't do much yesterday except sit and hug my daughter and go back out into the woods to look at the line through the binoculars some more. A lot of what ifs and everything, but there's only so much pondering you can do before it stops being productive.
Here's some pictures.
View from across the valley the day before, exit filled with snow, all looking good.
View from across the glacier post-rescue, note position of red box, my little bastion of rock. Alternative exit slope down and left of red box blocked by crumbling moraine. Green line is the route skied, and the entrance to the exit couloir, but the body of the couloir is hidden behind the cliffs obviously.
View from up on the side of the couloir, inside red box in photo2. Note the new position of that nice cone of snow in photo1, splayed out across the glacier at the bottom. Damn.
Of course, the eagle-eyed among you might notice that there's a pretty simple way out between the main line in the upper cliffs and that lower exit couloir... just traverse out and skin back up to the main glacier. This is the way that me and my partner took last year when we skied the same upper line, the south west couloir of the Becs Rouges, when the exit couloir definitely wasn't in condition, in one of the worst snow years in living memory. When I had this as an option, I was still under the impression that the final slopes were intact and safe to ski. I only realised what condition the lower couloir was in when I was already a few hundred metres down into it.Short stories about snow and rock, and pictures, too
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01-30-2018, 06:29 PM #15956
Wow peds. Hug that baby again.
I didn't believe in reincarnation when I was your age either.
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01-31-2018, 04:50 AM #15957
gripping write-up! glad you're ok peds.
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01-31-2018, 04:52 AM #15958
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01-31-2018, 06:43 AM #15959
Fuck that's seriously hairy. Really interesting read and pics.
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01-31-2018, 07:55 AM #15960
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01-31-2018, 12:19 PM #15961
Yep, it's a bush, if the stalk is thicker than your thumb it'll probably take your weight. Best not to shock load them though.
Haa, no, the horn of rock just behind the bush was good and solid, it went down deep and didn't wobble when smacked with an axe. There is a sling around that. I was looking around for a crack to slot a nut into as well, more to kill time than anything else, but I didn't need anything more than that horn, really.Short stories about snow and rock, and pictures, too
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01-31-2018, 12:44 PM #15962
So burly. Glad you're ok
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02-01-2018, 08:44 AM #15963
Wow. I'm glad I read your second paragraph. I wasn't sure how to respond to the first.
Sorry if these questions are tedious, but I ski solo a lot and am always interested in what people carry for emergency. You were wearing a harness and had a few slings and a small rack of stoppers/nuts and carabiners in your bag? Did you have a rope? If not, is that something you're considering adding to your everyday kit?
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02-01-2018, 11:40 AM #15964Registered User
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thanks for sharing
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02-01-2018, 04:25 PM #15965
Don't worry about it dude, I'm happy to answer whatever questions I can.
Yes, I was wearing a harness as I knew I'd be doing at least 2 rappels in the higher couloir, and there were several glaciers to cross at various points of the day. I brought 4 nuts of various sizes, and 10m of 5mm cord just in case I needed to repair or replace the anchors that I already knew were there. As it was I managed to keep all 4 nuts, but I did leave a couple of meters of cord behind. On my harness that day were 3 slings (1 big, 1 medium, 1 small), crevasse rescue kit, ice screw, belay device, prussik, 4 nuts, and two spare carabiners. I had 60m of rope with me, made up of 2x30m glacier ropes.
Except for when I go ski touring with my daughter in her babybackpack or a couple of times that I've just gone for a quick sprint mission ski tour with the dog, I honestly don't remember the last time I went skiing without a rope stuffed into the bottom of my bag, but it has to be said I only ever go ski touring, I don't ride pistes or lift served off piste that much any more. A rope really doesn't weight anything compared to how useful they are, and I've found it to be a great tool if you find yourself in the wrong place. I do a lot of exploring in the woods above my house, and there are quite a few very short cliffs and rock bands scattered about the place. Sometimes it's easier to just throw a rope around a tree and "angel wings" your way off a rock than it is to side step back up and find a new route around.Short stories about snow and rock, and pictures, too
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02-02-2018, 08:33 AM #15966
Ok, safe to say you were as prepared for this as is reasonable. The 10m of cord for rap anchors confirms that. Sounds like you really did just get hosed by the exit snow cone ripping out overnight.
To continue the gear nerdery, as I'm about to make a purchase, what harness are you using, and which ropes? Although you didn't mention them, which axes do you carry?
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02-02-2018, 08:50 AM #15967Registered User
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follow up question:
2x30m rope ist your standard always in the pack or did you bring more because of the rappels or both as you rappel always when you ski ;-) How do you feel about super light rap lines for crevasse rescue / rappel etc.
I'm sure this has been discussed elsewhere, so if somebody can redirect me I would appreciate this as well.
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02-02-2018, 09:47 AM #15968
The harness I use is a lightweight Cilao thing, it's comfortable enough to rappel in but you wouldn't want to be dangling around in it for hours on end. If there's lots of hard climbing or a bit of free-hanging rappeling to do, I bring my Petzl rock climbing harness instead.
Axes, I have a Climbing Technology Agile 45, a Grivel AirTech Evo, and a pair of DMM Apex. They weigh, in turn, 200g, 500g, and 650g each, so I mix and match according to what I'll need, depending on what the route requires. Often I'll just bring the Grivel or the CT Agile, sometimes the two, occasionally I'll bring one of the Apex and the Grivel, very rarely I'll bring both Apex. I'd happily recommend a pair of Grivel AirTech Evos as a do-it-all setup, light enough but very capable.
A single 30 lives in my bag, I brought a second one that day because one of the rappels was at least 20m long. A friend and I skied the first half of the line last year, so I knew it would be easiest to bring more string.
Those super light 6mm lines are great up to a point, but a) I can't afford one, and b) it's scary enough watching your 7.6mm rope rubbing around on granite, let alone something even thinner. I prefer fatter ropes in general, really, and I'm happy to just put up with the additional weight.Short stories about snow and rock, and pictures, too
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02-02-2018, 11:14 AM #15969
Don't want to break the flow too much, haven't checked into this post in a while. Glad everything turned out ok. I've got a 22month old and a 4 week old, so I can imagine the emotional stress of all this. Here's a little low consequence stoke:
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02-02-2018, 02:00 PM #15970Registered User
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Over in the US and hoping to get to Jackson Hole for a weekend. Anyone on here from that neck of the woods or got any local contacts?
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02-04-2018, 12:38 PM #15971
I'm late to this thread. Thanks for sharing, Peds. Honest write up and sobering story.
My tax € put to some good use..."Typically euro, french in particular, in my opinion. It's the same skiing or climbing there. They are completely unfazed by their own assholeness. Like it's normal." - srsosbso
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02-05-2018, 01:38 AM #15972Registered User
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02-05-2018, 02:21 AM #15973sucks on the internet
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@Peds:
glad you are ok, surely the right call in your situation.
Thursday's mini storm still was a game changer in the Valais (Verbier) from rotten snow back to prime conditions with up to 2 feet high up and still a foot down to 2200 m.http://www.facebook.com/pages/www3li...ref=ts&fref=ts 3Limits Slovakia
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02-08-2018, 05:20 AM #15974Registered User
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American checking in from Engelberg here. Anyone around that wants to do some shredding and/or grab a beer? PM me! I'll be around for the next week.
I'm registered dude
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02-11-2018, 10:31 PM #15975Registered User
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