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12-15-2004, 06:54 PM #26
Slight highjack: Have you guys set off slides inbounds? I've only done it once: a soft slab about 20' feet wide on a 3 foot powder day on the Great Western Bowl at Brighton three seasons ago. Scared the poop outta me as it ran down to the bottom of the bowl into some trees.
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12-15-2004, 06:56 PM #27Of the Bu-Tang Clan
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Originally Posted by cmsummit
Well, at a first glance you might think so, but at a second glance, there is merit in what cj is saying. Most snow that falls on a slope that could slide eventually will. That's to say: big wet snow avys in June, July and August, for example. So, in that regard, the more snow exists in the the pack, the more avys it will take before it's all been brought down.
Now, if you said that the corelation between snow depth and avalanche danger is much more complicated, well, I have no argument there.
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Hey FoS:
What are you trying to accomplish here? In many ways, "danger" is like the tree faliing in the forest, there has to be someone there to be in danger. Also, many of the areas that would be the most dangerous in a natual setting are so rigorously controlled that they are in fact safe.
Or those areas are simply out of bounds entirely.
For example, Crystal has simply closed the most active avy paths that slide in bounds. (Big yellow block outs on the Crystal trailmap.) Now they aren't part of the resort, so does it make Crystal "safer?"
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12-15-2004, 06:57 PM #28Registered User
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Originally Posted by cmsummit
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12-15-2004, 07:03 PM #29Registered User
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Originally Posted by joshbu
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12-15-2004, 07:04 PM #30Originally Posted by joshbu
I would expect that prone would be equated to numbers of slide paths that have the potential to hurt-kill-do-damage IN combination with the expected/average annual snowfall.
For instance, Bridger has numerous slide paths AND gets 350" annually (sometimes) AND these slide paths all dump on to Intermediate-Beginner terrain.
And to your Crystal question, I would say that yes, those closed runs that have the potential to slide DOES in fact make it more safe. Which is basically my question, In Bounds avalanche potential...Last edited by FreakofSnow; 12-15-2004 at 07:06 PM.
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12-15-2004, 07:05 PM #31Funky But Chic
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12-15-2004, 07:06 PM #32Of the Bu-Tang Clan
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Originally Posted by cj001f
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12-15-2004, 07:10 PM #33Registered User
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Originally Posted by joshbu
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12-15-2004, 07:20 PM #34Originally Posted by cj001fOld's Cool.
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12-15-2004, 07:24 PM #35Originally Posted by cj001fOld's Cool.
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12-15-2004, 07:30 PM #36Registered User
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Originally Posted by cmsummit
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12-15-2004, 07:41 PM #37Originally Posted by cmsummit
bingers?
core shots....oh yeah!Old's Cool.
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12-15-2004, 08:00 PM #38Telemark Tech System
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Originally Posted by cmsummit
The only major ride I ever took in a slide was in-bounds at Big Sky. ~300' -400' ride on a wind slab, lookers left of the tram. Fortunately I was able to self arrest and stopped just a few ft/ above a rock rib. Ski patrol closed the run after watching me take the ride. Tom Kimbrough, recently retired UAFC forecaster; was an Alpine Meadows patroller when the slide happened there. He claimed he always wore a beacon, even in-bounds; following the incident.
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12-15-2004, 08:17 PM #39
Wow- who else is suprised that Punani hasn't posted a quote from Blizzard?
"There is a hell of a huge difference between skiing as a sport- or even as a lifestyle- and skiing as an industry"
Hunter S. Thompson, 1970 (RIP)
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12-15-2004, 11:56 PM #40Registered User
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Originally Posted by boarderline
1.saw a chute in enchanted forest. theres was a small dead tree growing right at the top of the opening and i saw a place for fresh tracks so i dropped in. cut in just under the tree and thats all that was holding the snow, i made about half a turn and took a digger head first. rolled like once or twice on top of the slide and came up on my skis but i was buried thigh deep. i looked up and i had gone like a hundred+ feet, snow had broken off just under that damn tree.
2. off red dog ridge i dropped into the gully just before the trees. dropped a little cornice at the top and i guess one of my buddies behind me broke it loose. slide came down small but fast. had no idea it was coming and took my legs out from under me. took me for a ride for a couple hundred feet but nothing serious.
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12-16-2004, 01:36 PM #41
I remember seeing a little sidebar in Powder 10+ years ago with a top 3 or 5 resorts on this subject. I believe the stat they used was # of slides (controlled and uncontrolled?) set off on an average yearly basis. The places I remember on that list included Alta, Bird, Stevens Pass, and Alpine Meadows.
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