DPS Spoon 150

**glademaster** · 01-28-2011, 04:30 PM

Excellent point. Someone should be in touch with GaryWayne before the Spoons ever have a chance to go to production.

Originally Posted by hop

Does Garywayne have a patent on convex bases? If not, they should have applied for one long ago. Been around longer than the spoon, anyways.

http://www.garywayneskis.com/garyway....com/Home.html

A bit of history on GaryWayne skis
http://www.mikecranephotography.com/blog/?p=206

**marshalolson** · 01-28-2011, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by hop

Does Garywayne have a patent on convex bases? If not, they should have applied for one long ago. Been around longer than the spoon, anyways.

http://www.garywayneskis.com/garyway....com/Home.html

A bit of history on GaryWayne skis
http://www.mikecranephotography.com/blog/?p=206

Convex bases have been around in manufacored form since ar least the 70s. Yamaha and kazamaa both had designs back then anyhow. So if there ever was a patent, which there was not, , it would be long since expired.

**Arno** · 01-28-2011, 05:16 PM

and isn't the cleat the special sauce which is the subject of the patent?

**hop** · 01-28-2011, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by marshalolson

Convex bases have been around in manufacored form since ar least the 70s. Yamaha and kazamaa both had designs back then anyhow. So if there ever was a patent, which there was not, , it would be long since expired.

So does DPS plan to swoop in on the convex base patent? I wonder what that would mean for Garywayne.

Oh, the drama!

Either way, I hope both companies continue to innovate and prosper.

**summit** · 01-28-2011, 06:25 PM

I don't think you can patent something which has prior art existing for a long ass time

**hop** · 01-28-2011, 06:39 PM

Alright, If the DPS patent's just for a convex base w/ a cleat then everyone just keep on keepin' on!

Innovate and prosper! Scha-wiiiiing! Convex for everyone!

**lobstahmeatwad** · 01-28-2011, 06:42 PM

Just from the website the gary wayne skis look like dogshit quality. IMO.
Plywood or stacked veneer? Super thick and no tipspacer? Garbage.

**zeroforhire** · 01-28-2011, 06:44 PM

Great discussion. Thanks for the insight Marshall.

These look very interesting.

**Jethro** · 01-28-2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Summit

After fondling this ski yesterday, the analogy I had for it was a kayaking one:

Playboats are best in the play park. The flat hull and sharp edges make sense on the groomers where the slope is also 2 dimensional, flat, and unyielding. That is a normal ski.

A 112RP is a river running play boat. It has rocker and edge.

A 138 is a river runner with lots of rocker and the softened edges, but it still has a planing hull.

Powder is like the water of a free flowing creek and the Scoop 150 is a displacement hulled creek boat made to rock it out!

The cleats are like drop chines so you can still carve into an eddy.

(yes i know the physics of the analogy don't quite match)

I was thinking the same thing with the kayak analogy, but you beat me to it. I still think I want a planing ski design for powder skiing though. We will have to wait and see if this design pans out.

**marshalolson** · 01-28-2011, 07:37 PM

Just to be clear Dps patented the vertical cleat design. Not a convex base. A cleat works best with a convex base, certainly, but the cleat is the innovation that makes a convex base not a total death trap. Hope that helps? All about the innovation. Everywhere. It's a good time to be a skier.

**hop** · 01-28-2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by marshalolson

All about the innovation. Everywhere. It's a good time to be a skier.

Indeed. Carry on!

That being said, Garywayne skiers are shredding all conditions in control and with style, so IMO the cleat isn't as crucial as you think.

**TeleThor** · 01-28-2011, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by hop

Indeed. Carry on!

That being said, Garywayne skiers are shredding all conditions in control and with style, so IMO the cleat isn't as crucial as you think.

Guess it depends on the level of convexity. But yes, you have a good point.

**DasBlunt** · 01-28-2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by marshalolson

Convex bases have been around in manufacored form since ar least the 70s. Yamaha and kazamaa both had designs back then anyhow. So if there ever was a patent, which there was not, , it would be long since expired.

Bataleon snowboards have close to a concave base as an example. They call it "triple base tech" TBT.

**EEC** · 01-28-2011, 09:19 PM

How would the convexity be on steep terrain? I'd imagine that even with the cleats you'd compromise a fair amount of edge hold.

**skiwithcharlie** · 01-28-2011, 09:37 PM

I hope they ride like snowblades on ice, but in powpow!

**karpiel** · 01-28-2011, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by EEC

How would the convexity be on steep terrain? I'd imagine that even with the cleats you'd compromise a fair amount of edge hold.

Next up;

Snow blades and huge lines in AK.

**summit** · 01-28-2011, 11:04 PM

These skis are not designed for steep icy couloirs.

**EEC** · 01-28-2011, 11:12 PM

Clearly, but even just steep terrain with deep snow. Seems like it would be a lot harder to quickly scrub speed. I Suppose I might just be trying to envision this ski for purposes it's not intended for.
Convex bases in powder does sound like a shitload of fun though.

**rideit** · 01-28-2011, 11:15 PM

Mega-Rax?

**DasBlunt** · 01-29-2011, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by EEC

How would the convexity be on steep terrain? I'd imagine that even with the cleats you'd compromise a fair amount of edge hold.

Steep terrain is only one part of the equation...steep with lots of POW?

Deep snow, steep terrain, reverse sidecut, convex base and cleats = win.

Steep, icy/variable terrain, those cleats are what makes the reverse sidecut and convex base get some hold before you hit the goods.

**jerr** · 01-29-2011, 03:59 AM

marshal; did I read, that SD has skied these? Or am I making that up. If he has, how did they go?

Edit: I am making that up aren't I?

When will these see some testing?

I see this design concept as the closest thing to the 'magic carpet' ride down a slope that I sometimes have dreams about (sorry about the inherently personal bit). The way I see the ultimate ski is that it lets you do whatever you want without the limitations of the ski. The 150 concept seems to touch on that, in powder anyway. I hope it works up.

(spoon is a great analogy but not such a flash image for it long term - just my thought)

**Niklas** · 01-29-2011, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by jerr

marshal; did I read, that SD has skied these? Or am I making that up. If he has, how did they go?
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**marshalolson** · 01-29-2011, 08:46 AM

stephan got 2 days on them in jackson between OR and SIA.

his personal thought is "this is the future of powder skiing". strong statement coming from him.

i am hoping to sneak a couple runs on them monday AM on the way to the airport to head to ISPO.

**mr_gyptian** · 01-29-2011, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by glademaster

Certainly a fascinating design, it will be interesting to see the final version.

Not to piss in anyone's Cheerios, but it seems like this ski would be woefully impractical for anything other than cat/heli/snowmobile skiing. There are very few resorts where you're going to be skiing enough powder, even on the deepest days to want a ski like this.

I'm sure that the final version will be unreal in deep, untracked snow, but I'd take a pair of 138's over these any day.

you mean these won't handle like my Tigersharks?

Glad to see your captain obvious skills didn't dull with age.