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Thread: Plum guide tech binding
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12-06-2014, 09:03 AM #1126
Wow that is pretty f**cked
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12-06-2014, 09:19 AM #1127
I think part of the problem with the metal parts, is that they all appear to be CNC machined. Dynafit and G3 ION parts are or appear to be forged, which will make for stronger parts.
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12-06-2014, 09:50 AM #1128
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12-06-2014, 10:43 AM #1129
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12-11-2014, 10:02 AM #1130Plum Guide exploder
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Got a shipment from France today with new heel pieces. They look like the latest design with the modified base that has a cutout for the optional heel stomp pad when flat touring. Once I got a response from Plum, they were actually very friendly and no questions asked about the replacements.
I think I'm going to still use my Dukes for 90% of the terrain I ski, but on those long ski cabin tours or easy backcountry days, I might chance it and put the plums on and just be cognizant to not put myself into any high risk terrain with them on. I'll probably re-evaluate this next year once some of the newer tech bindings have been on the market longer.
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12-16-2014, 02:32 PM #1131full throttle
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I was going to post a photo of my toe piece failure, but it is EXACTLY like this one. I hit one of those gully rollers a little backseat, ski popped off, seemed like a normal release until I noticed that it just broke instead.
Hoping to warranty, but this thread really has me thinking twice.....
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12-16-2014, 03:56 PM #1132Registered User
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^ I have no experience with the American distributor but after following this thread it seems like thats not the way to go. Contact Plum in France directly.
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12-16-2014, 06:06 PM #1133
What generation of plum were the exploded heels from??
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12-17-2014, 11:23 AM #1134Plum Guide exploder
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I was dealing with Plum France directly for both my interactions. It seems like they only have one person in their office that is able to communicate in English, which may be part of the problem.
I had the original generation from the group buy in 2011.
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12-26-2014, 10:20 PM #1135
So here's an update: I contacted Plum in France, I have an email address I'd be happy to share. After a couple days I was told that I could pick up new toes from skimo.com for $164 each. After considering this option I wrote back to the gentleman at Plum and politely expressed my dissatisfaction with this response. I told him I realized my bindings were out of warranty but as this seems to be a recurring problem I thought he could do better than his original offer. A day later he told me he would, this one time, sell me a pair of toes for 153 euro ($195), and ship them for "free." I took this as the best option and proceeded with payment, my toes arrived a week later.
I've since purchased a speed radical and I've installed two inserts to accommodate the new pattern. I'm gonna continue to use the heels, because as far as I can tell, the heels have about the same propensity to explode as a radical heel. I've decided to have my girlfriend use the Plum toes, she is light and not going to be taking them anywhere serious, and she can use the radical heels.
The guy at Plum seems somewhat eager to help and to address the problems, but I also work at a shop and he wants us to carry his product again, we did for two years. Without a US distributor and more time to see if they've resolved their issues we will be sticking with tried and true dynafit.
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02-18-2015, 11:45 AM #1136
Scary reading here with the Chrome toe failures. I have had the black toes and have been both in and out of bounds with no failures (knock on wood). Has anyone seen a failure with the black?
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02-18-2015, 01:19 PM #1137
Think there was one report of a pin breaking on a toe piece with the black wings further back in the thread but doesn't seem to be any other reports. It wasn't a failure of the wing as well it was a pin that split or something. Im in the same position, have done a few season on the black wing model, almost replaced them recently due to this thread but decided to stick with them. I think if anyone on here had had a failure with the new ones they would be pretty quick to report it.
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02-18-2015, 01:39 PM #1138Registered User
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"Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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08-19-2015, 07:42 PM #1139
Thread Reseurection
OK ya'll
So i was gonna buy some Plum Guides last fall for my new voile's but after reading this thread as well as other sources i got pretty gunshy about the toepiece breakages. Ended up getting the Frankenbinding setup of Speed Rad toes and Plum Guide heels. Totally happy with this setup but would prefer to just buy a complete binding. I'm gonna have a couple new skis in the quiver to play with, so revisiting binding options. Really hate the Dynafit Radical heels. So who is still using the Plum toepieces and how do you feel about them? Figure another year would maybe bring a few more of the potential kinks out of the woodwork.
Again, i'm pretty happy with the mixed frankentech setup, so if the general consensus is that the Plum toes still suck or are just questionable i'll just stick with that.
A little about me i guess. 6'4" 210lbs. Touring only. I like bigger skis for sure and plan on epoxying all my mounts. Reformed hucker. I've used several tech bindings so know what that's all about.
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08-20-2015, 01:44 AM #1140
Bump to top.
Come on now.
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08-20-2015, 02:26 PM #1141
I have first gen (or third or whatever) before they went to black toe wings - mine are just the CNC'd aluminum. No problems. However, a friend who turned me on to them experienced the classic inexplicable crack in the toe wings in the same early iteration. If you can go black (toe wings), you won't go back.
sproing!
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08-24-2015, 12:46 PM #1142
I seem to have lost one of my heel stomp pads (this thing - http://www.fixation-plum.com/en/prod...i-talon-guide/). Anyone have a spare, or willing to sell me a pair?
Also, lots of great deals on clearance, including on the j'envoie du gros http://www.fixation-plum.com/collection/ski/destockage/sproing!
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08-25-2015, 09:58 AM #1143
Pffffff... You should have seen the pair Lynchdogger broke a couple years back! He snapped the whole heel off at the metal mast right above the adjustment plate (think 'flush with the top of the screw face') . Literally both full heel units flew off down the mountain. Never saw anything like that.
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01-14-2016, 10:20 PM #1144
So after 4 years of abuse by me, and a year by the previous owner I have joined the plum failure club... but I also just bought a new pair. I ended up with two cracked screw holes on one toe piece; well really one then I continued to ski them and now two. I would post a picture but the process if fucking ridiculous and the goddamn "stash" is a blank fucking page.
I am not entirely sure if over torquing the bindings into inserts was a contributor to the cracks or if fatigue from touring (and occasional hill riding) on wider skis played a part (I am probably 200-215 geared up with a pack and the bindings have been on Protests, Rx's and Fat Bros) .I don't work and I don't save, desperate women pay my way.
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03-22-2016, 01:29 PM #1145
Joining the happy group with a catastrophic silver toe wing failure. YAY!
Three fundamentals of every extreme skier, total disregard for personal saftey, amphetamines, and lots and lots of malt liquor......-jack handy
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03-22-2016, 06:13 PM #1146
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03-24-2016, 12:29 PM #1147
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09-18-2016, 09:08 AM #1148
Plum now has redesigned stoppers for the Guide. They replace the entire heel base making for a solid set up. Depending on your boot sole thickness they will also act a serviceable stomp pad if the pins flex down. They are nice to have, and stop the ski well. However, two gripes - 1) no lateral retraction means they stick out quite far even when reasonable sized for the ski 2) They occasionally come unlatched when used in flat-tour mode (the repetitive banging works the latch free), and I usually don't notice immediately because i'm not staring at my feet.
Having said that, I will be keeping them, as I hate the way leashes make every run a soft 'no-fall zone'.
Edit: Also, I bought the Yak toe plates and fitted them to my guides to reduce ramp angle and have a more reliable set up than the old cut up plastic chopping boards. Very happy there...
Here is the only pic I have of them, on Down YW8102 s x'd on the summit of Mt Blanc this spring
And proof my black toe wings from 2013 are still going strong on the 60+˚ Mönch W (edit: NE) face this July.Last edited by Tutuko; 09-23-2016 at 12:41 PM.
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09-18-2016, 10:17 AM #1149
wow, what route on the Mönch west face did you ski?
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09-23-2016, 12:40 PM #1150
Oops! (northish) East face! Sorry, I'm from NZ...
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