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Thread: Quandary Avalanche
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12-02-2004, 12:22 PM #51Originally Posted by lph
Duph and Winter could have most likely skied powder all day long in the trees without incident. This would have been a better option on a solo adventure in these conditions.
I’m really glad everything turned out ok. As others have said, props for sharing the experience and admitting your mistakes!
I had a similar sobering experience last winter when I feel asleep at the wheel walking along a ridge and almost fell off with a cracked cornice. It would have been an extremely stupid mistake as staying back on ridges is one of the basic rules for safe travel and I knew this.
Live and learn!
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12-02-2004, 12:28 PM #52
Matt,
It takes a lot of guts to post a report like this, and I hope that others will learn from your experience as well. I Got a nasty feeling in my stomach the other day when I heard about the incident before talking to you on the phone. Glad you and winter are alright, and look forward to making many more trips into the bc with you. Use this experience as an educational tool. This goes to show that experience doesn't mean anything if you're not constantly thinking of the potential dangers and taking the very basic precautions out there.
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12-02-2004, 12:28 PM #53click click boom
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Glad you both made it back. You're a good dog owner and a lousy Avy expert. Awesome dog ya got there.
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12-02-2004, 12:29 PM #54
great story
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12-02-2004, 12:29 PM #55
thanks for being so honest about mistakes made and lessons learned. we _all_ have something important to learn from this tragedy narrowly averted, no matter how much experience we have.
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12-02-2004, 12:31 PM #56Originally Posted by truth
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12-02-2004, 12:40 PM #57Originally Posted by iskibc
edited for clarity.
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12-02-2004, 12:44 PM #58don't tell me no...
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thank you, Duph for sharing your story, definitely an eye opener for many, and it certainly sounds like a scary experience, but LIVE and Learn, as I"m sure you will. We're all so relieved you and Winter are ok, and I"m personally glad you had a beacon on her.
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12-02-2004, 12:58 PM #59Originally Posted by truthOld's Cool.
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12-02-2004, 01:06 PM #60
Great story...
This is not only a good lesson for you, but for all of us. Those who learn from their own mistakes are smart... Those who learn from others' mistakes are wise.Living the good life.
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12-02-2004, 01:06 PM #61click click boom
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Originally Posted by iskibc
No, but the list of self admitted errors made in this story would seem to prove my statement true.
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12-02-2004, 01:07 PM #62click click boom
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Originally Posted by cmsummit
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12-02-2004, 01:18 PM #63Originally Posted by truth
You can hardly say that they are "lousy avy experts".
It is just that the positive reinforcement (been there before,it has never avalanched,just a quitck lap) might get you caught in the end if you let your guard down.
We are humans after all.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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12-02-2004, 01:20 PM #64click click boom
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Originally Posted by iskibc
Setting off the slide had nothing to do with my statement, but reading comprehsion is clearly not a skill you own. Ignoring basic avy risk assessment procedures and skiing a slope with no pit in conditions that were marginal at best accroding to the "rose", based on never having seen a slope slide or having layed tracks on it last May is what my opinion was based on.
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12-02-2004, 01:21 PM #65click click boom
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Originally Posted by Meathelmet
Yes, yes I can.
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12-02-2004, 01:26 PM #66Originally Posted by truth
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12-02-2004, 01:29 PM #67
duph -- thanks for posting that. glad you and Winter are ok.
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12-02-2004, 01:39 PM #68
Props to you for the TR and ball grabbing (testifying) honesty.
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12-02-2004, 01:40 PM #69aka Gorillo
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Yeah !
Way to live for sure. Great to hear that all turned out for the best. Lots of love is always nice to read about ! It gave me shivers man. Nice writing and thanks for sharingY sigue la Fiesta
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12-02-2004, 01:40 PM #70Originally Posted by truth
i don't think there are many people that can call themselves experts in the field and even then it is other people callng them that. i've found that the more age/knowlege a person has, the more humble they are.
it is tough to always have your A game when you see bluebird. it's even worse when those dangers, especially multiple, are buried and you have little sign. unfortunatly, not everyone calls in to the avy center before they go out. sometimes you just forget to. without that knowledge you are really just testing your skills without all the info. if the skills or your wandering mind fail you, then bad things can happen. i don't know the prior specifics of the snowpack so i can't really speak to the terrain being acceptable, but in a more stable pack that hill looks like fun. duph, glad you and the pooch came through ok. we learn as we go through life. it looks like you have turned this into a positive experience for many on the board. i hope you continue to get out in the bc and enjoy the conditional terrain. thanks for sharing
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12-02-2004, 01:44 PM #71
Thanks for posting -- A learning experience for all.
I don't know what an "Avy expert is". I do know that well educated skiers do get caught in slides. I'm not sure that it makes much of a difference, but an error is judgement is very different than a lack of knowledge.
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12-02-2004, 01:44 PM #72
I can believe anyone would flame him for this post....
it takes balls to admit your mistakes....We ALL fuck up from time to time. Shit happens. Personally I would have skied the same line. Maybe even after digging a pit. But i would have been with another human.
Once winter learns how to operate a beacon with paws she will be the perfect BC buddy! That dog will be ever loyal!
edit: powdaze: the CAIC was saying nothing put bad things after the new snow. Weak layer upon weak layer. FYILast edited by MOHSHSIHd; 12-02-2004 at 01:47 PM. Reason: cuase
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12-02-2004, 01:48 PM #73
Glad you two are OK. I definitely felt sick to my stomach reading that.
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12-02-2004, 01:54 PM #74click click boom
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Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles
Does knowledge without the judgement to apply it have a value?
My original comment was not a flame, just props for diggin out his dog when his guiding choices got them in a jam. I can imagine the gut wrenching feeling in thinking one may have lost a best friend, I've been there. He's a good dog owner because he had a beacon on his dog and knew how to use it. Knowledge applied.
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12-02-2004, 02:02 PM #75Originally Posted by truth
* I mean for this to be a discussion and not turn into a flame war. Let's keep it at that.
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