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  1. #2851
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    Quote Originally Posted by doebedoe View Post
    . . . vans are just far more comfortable to camp in. Not necessarily more comfortable to sleep in, but if you need to spend lots of time inside (rain / snow / winter) vans beat all other setups except slide-ins/RVs.
    Not getting this. Vans + "other than slide-ins/RVs" = hanging out in a car? If that's what you mean: Yeah, of course. Duh

    IME (5 camping vehicles in 25 years = 3 vans, 2 lightweight slide-in pop-ups), whether camping rig is better to hang out in for extended periods of time in bad weather depends not on whether it's a van, slide-in, class B, class C or class A, but on weatherproofing, insulation, configuration of seating and existence nature of furnace/heater. IME, the most important factor re handing out for extended periods is whether you can stand upright -- you can stand up in virtually all slide-in campers and class A/B/C, but not in most vans. Next important factors are furnace w/heat exchanger (to dry things out) and configuration of seating. A van with a wick heater or the like is inferior in bad weather because you'll never dry out.
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  2. #2852
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    This has got to be a fucken maggot! Shot today at the Slickrock trailhead Moab America
    Bunny Don't Surf

  3. #2853
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    I guess they took the "Tiger" part seriously

  4. #2854
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    Anyone seen this around?
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  5. #2855
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post


    This has got to be a fucken maggot! Shot today at the Slickrock trailhead Moab America
    Maybe it belongs to the guy at snowbird that dresses like that.

  6. #2856
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todds View Post
    Maybe it belongs to the guy at snowbird that dresses like that.
    Needs to have a couple kids following him on leopard spotted mtbs lol
    Bunny Don't Surf

  7. #2857
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    Quote Originally Posted by yardsale2 View Post
    We also chose the Escape for the general quality and high level customer service and our satisfied with it except for the following issues. Dometic fridges are poorly designed and the propane function is finicky. Even with the extra insulation, double windows and heated tanks, the Escape is marginal as a winter tool unless you dry camp as the gray and black water dump valves are outside the heated space. In particular, the black water tank has a 3' fun of 3" pipe outside the heated space from the black tank to the dump valve. While insulated, it "freezes" during sub freezing weather even with lots of antifreeze as it becomes a snowcone consistency and will not move along that long run of pipe. Will discuss possible workarounds if anyone is serious. For a heavier but more winter worthy trailer look at Northwoods, Lance or Oliver. We are looking at Oliver but not sure it is worth twice the money of these other trailers.

    We tow our 17b with a 20012 RAV 4 with a 6. It has a 3500lb tow capacity. Unfortunately no longer made.
    We got an Escape 17B as well. It's the 2017 model with insulation they claim is 2.5X the R-value of the old insulation which was actually just reflectex. We spent a couple of nights in the mid-20's and it was fine.

    We got the extra insulation, frameless thermal windows (no dripping condensation because there are no frames!), heated tanks, and spray-foam insulation for max winter capability. Escape switched to different Fridge models in 2017 that are less problematic.

    The plan is to leave on Feb 7th next year for a 1-month trip up into interior BC, Montana, and Idaho to work on our skinorthamerica100.com project. Our friends have a custom built Unimog expedition vehicle they plan to follow in.

    Yes, the dump valves will be a problem. I'm going to use some heat tape. I'm talking with a heat tape manufacturer about using 3.5 w/ft 12V tape. The problem will be what to insulate it with. The spray foam will have to be scraped off and something will need to cover the heat tape. The reality of the situation is that it's going to freeze because you can't leave the heat tape on all the time on battery power, but I'm hoping the tape will be enough to thaw it for dumping if it's not too cold. We spent 2 weeks up there in early Feb this year and it actually rarely got below 25F so not too worried.

    We tow it with a 2012 VW Touareg TDI currently and get 20 mpg at 65. Of course this is getting bought back by VW due to dieselgate so next year we will be using our Honda Pilot as a TV. That has a 5,000 lb tow capacity. I've only towed it about 50 miles with that so far, but it looks like it's going to come in at somewhere around 17 mpg. We always use Blizzak snow tires on our vehicles for Tahoe winters, and I will carry cable chains for the Escape although I'd like to avoid ever using them because the wheel-wells are fiberglass and will be destroyed by a loose chain. We will see how it goes next winter!
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  8. #2858
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    Quote Originally Posted by skysos View Post
    We always use Blizzak snow tires on our vehicles for Tahoe winters, and I will carry cable chains for the Escape although I'd like to avoid ever using them because the wheel-wells are fiberglass and will be destroyed by a loose chain.
    Could you line the wheel wells with some flexible diamond plate?

  9. #2859
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    So, I get the chains on the car tires, but I don't really understand the chains on the trailer tires. I don't think I've ever seen that before, not in my neck of the woods anyways.

  10. #2860
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    If you need chains on the tow vehicle, you need chains on the trailer as well. If you don't chain up the entire rig, when you apply the brakes the trailer is going to try to pass you.

  11. #2861
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    Plan on using the chains on the Escape. Once that trailer breaks free, it is taking you with it. If not for getting to the parking lot, getting around and out of the lots. You will find chains on many TT at the resorts where you are headed.

    If you do not want to drill holes in to the trailer to mount the diamond plate like Kai was thinking, would a lineX type coating protect it?

  12. #2862
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    Yeah, with electric brakes on the trailer it's different than just towing a flatbed snowmobile trailer or a small U-Haul for obvious reasons when on snow.

    This crop from a photo on the Escape website shows the tight clearance of the wheel well. A 2" lift kit is available to make the clearance better.

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    Great idea using diamond plate. I'll see how the first season goes next winter and then make changes if necessary.

  13. #2863
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    Sounds like Escape has made significant improvements. If we keep it, I am going to try to have a gate valve installed just below the black tank such that the run of 3" pipe outside the heated space to the primary dump valve remains empty until you want to dump. If possible, it is a superior solution to heat tape as no energy is required. Good move on the fridge change. The door on our Dometic RM8551 FELL OFF on our way back East a week ago!

  14. #2864
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    Skisos,
    You get 20 mpg while towing? That's amazing. We get 14+ towing the same trailer with our Rav4.

  15. #2865
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    Does anyone have a line on a bench seat/sofa bed convert with 3 point shoulder seatbelts that can be installed in Sprinters? Other than ordering one from europe? This seems to be a problem.

    Disclaimer I've followed this thread loosely but didn't search if this has been discussed here.

    We're working on building out our ski RV.....

  16. #2866
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    Quote Originally Posted by yardsale2 View Post
    Skisos,
    You get 20 mpg while towing? That's amazing. We get 14+ towing the same trailer with our Rav4.
    It's a cheater TDI though. VW is buying it back as part of the the EPA settlement. It was great while it lasted...

  17. #2867
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFugitive View Post


    This has got to be a fucken maggot! Shot today at the Slickrock trailhead Moab America

  18. #2868
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    Rawr!

  19. #2869
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    Anyone have any experience swapping out house battery deep cycle with a lithium ion?
    Climb the mountains and get their good tidings. Natures peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees. The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop away from you like the leaves of Autumn. - John Muir

    "How long can it last? For fuck sake this isn't heroin -
    suck it up princess" - XXX on getting off mj

    “This is infinity here,” he said. “It could be infinity. We don’t really don’t know. But it could be. It has to be something — but it could be infinity, right?” - Trump, on the vastness of space, man

  20. #2870
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    Is this a mag in my neck of the woods tonight?
    Quote Originally Posted by jlboyell View Post
    Climate change deniers should be in the same boat as the flat earthers, ridiculed for stupidity.

  21. #2871
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    On Sacramento's craigslist -
    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/6100178561.html

    Text of ad:
    1990 chinook concourse 4X4 7.3 liter turbo diesel automatic transmission fullyself contained with 3 burner stove with oven 2 way refrigerator and freezer microwave double sink tv with antenna jacks and hook ups sofa that turns into bed swivel Dinette toilet and shower roof a/c onan generator all appliances work
    Tow package roof storage box all fiberglass call for more info serious buyers only please must see $12500
    Quote Originally Posted by powder11 View Post
    if you have to resort to taking advice from the nitwits on this forum, then you're doomed.

  22. #2872
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    That is a pretty sweet deal. Probably a bit of a dog with the older motor but should run forever.

  23. #2873
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    Damn. Sweet ride.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
    I realize there is not much hope for a bullfighting forum. I understand that most of you would prefer to discuss the ingredients of jacket fabrics than the ingredients of a brave man. I know nothing of the former. But the latter is made of courage, and skill, and grace in the presence of the possibility of death. If someone could make a jacket of those three things it would no doubt be the most popular and prized item in all of your closets.

  24. #2874
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    Ski RV's, who's sleeping in parking lots?

    Here's one for you minimalists...

    https://bend.craigslist.org/bar/6098264454.html



    "So lets start off where this beauty was born i was wanting a camper to be able to tow offroad behind my lifted truck so i could camp anywhere i wanted on the trail but the trailer needed ground clearance for possible water crossings or rocks so i found this 4 linked trailer and tested it and it flexes perfectly under weight behind your truck over rocks and hills and keeps the trailer deck flat which is nice for your stuff so it is 8ft long by 6ft wide trailer i took 6 ft for the sleeping area and left 2ft in the back for a eletric sink and cooler pull out and stove pull out but thats but to you as far and how you want the back to look my plan was to make one door that open with hydraulic arms so you have shade out the back or protection from rain. But i now have a little family and this isnt gonna be big enough so im onto a new project but this would be perfect for someone in bend who needs a place to live. Im wanting 600obo and if you want it finished we can talk about price i have inverters and all the wiring to finish lights and plug in for phones and stuff this has been a project inside a shop and i took it out to take pictures so there is no water damage or anything just needs finished and either stained like i was gonna do and metal side covers with silicone so seal her all up i used silicone when laying the boards together to get a good seal already"

  25. #2875
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    On Sacramento's craigslist -
    https://sacramento.craigslist.org/rvs/6100178561.html

    Text of ad:
    1990 chinook concourse 4X4 7.3 liter turbo diesel automatic transmission fullyself contained with 3 burner stove with oven 2 way refrigerator and freezer microwave double sink tv with antenna jacks and hook ups sofa that turns into bed swivel Dinette toilet and shower roof a/c onan generator all appliances work
    Tow package roof storage box all fiberglass call for more info serious buyers only please must see $12500
    Sweet rig and if it checked out, the price is right - A Maggot should jump on that for sure


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