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  1. #6351
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    Quote Originally Posted by BFD View Post
    did you happen to see if the F150 was the extended payload GVWR 7850? I tried to order one but not possible this year. I ended up getting truck with 2050 lb capacity. I think that Lance 650 might be a bit heavy. I am trying to pick up a Travel Lite 610R which I think would work well. Open to buying it or any light weight camper anywhere if anyone spots one on Craigsist.
    I didnít see it but with that aluminum bed and lance 650, it wasnít that stressful going to the top of Lolo pass, but I didnít feel like Lolo pass was that steep. We also took it on dirt road up to camp but my gf didnít want to stay there. Found a spot to turn around and after 3 or 4 point turn, we were headed down. Lots of ruts but the truck handled great. I should have tried out 4x4 but I didnít think of it then...


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  2. #6352
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    Okay Karen.
    Ok coal roller. Enjoy your clogged injectors. Lol

  3. #6353
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    You should be able to put it in 4H after leaving dry surface and be good with appropriate tires. I would favor a limited slip over a locker. Most of the newer full sizes will have some type of traction control through ABS, ESC, VSC, etc that will give the same or better traction as an old school mechanical LS you put in the pumpkin.

    Sorry to be condescending...basically rude. I'll keep going though. I see your situation a lot. A driver of an all wheel drive car weighing 3-4,000 pounds thinks getting a camper to go skiing with the family will be cool. And it is cool. So they buy a behemoth of a vehicle without much experience driving 10-12,000 lb., hard to stop, slow to respond, top heavy vehicles and jump right into the worst mountain conditions they can find to learn how to drive the big rig. Then they talk about buying the safest features vehicles for the safety of their family. Because the situation of taking the kids skiing in a 12k # pile of metal they put themselves and their family in wasn't as much of a choice as getting the truck with traction control enhancements. Maybe I'm assuming too much. If so, my apologies.

    I'm grumpy because I'm seeing all sorts of assholes all over where I live who are causing accidents and jamming up traffic because they decided Disneyland was off this year so let's get into RV'ing with all the other people who have never driven larger vehicles or towed a trailer. Why not get the 35' toy hauler...can't be that hard to drive right?

    All I ask is practice up on some dry land prior to ski season.

    Even though condescending, I did answer your questions. Take it from another point of view-a guy comes on asking how to set up a camper in a one ton pickup but isn't sure how the 4x4 works in pickups...that could make some folks nervous. Especially when we're all trying to get to the same pow but we're stuck behind some guy new to bigger vehicles learning how to get to the hill with 30 cars stacked up behind them and is too nervous to use the slow vehicle turnouts.
    x4

    Those questions made me nervous too, but kudos to tmokes for asking and conundrum for giving good answers. Important to recognize that not everybody grew up with trucks or had some shit job with a farm truck. Better for those that did to share the love than to sit around in some fortress of protected redneck knowledge.

    tmokes, anything with the right payload built in this century will have a more than sufficient 4wd. Early 2000s are getting to be awhile ago though, so don't buy one of those unless you want to become a mechanic

  4. #6354
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    Having rented my first RV this past summer, a 25 footer from CruiseAmerica, I can see exactly what Conundrum is talking about and how that's a nightmare scenario. And I was driving it on the PCH thru Big Sur...lots of twists and ups and downs, but obviously no bad-traction stuff, that would be scary shit.

    And I have experience driving big vehicles in the military and with the airlines, but that was always on a flat flight line. Although it was fun spinning donuts and such on an empty icy ramp in the heavy uke aircraft tugs.

    Kinda dreaming of that Artic Fox setup Norseman posted a few pages back. Retirement in 15 years, guess I'll start saving.

  5. #6355
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    1997 Ford Club Wagon https://cars.ksl.com/listing/6711107

    Paging HTFB...go buy this so I'm not tempted.

  6. #6356
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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    1997 Ford Club Wagon https://cars.ksl.com/listing/6711107

    Paging HTFB...go buy this so I'm not tempted.
    Those rims....

  7. #6357
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    What motor?

  8. #6358
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    What motor?
    Its listed as a V10.

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    Ok makes sense. It would be $10k more if it had the 7.3 PSD

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    Ski RV's, who's sleeping in parking lots?

    Weíve been very happy with the promaster.
    This will be our 3rd winter and my husband uses it as his daily driver.
    Maybe the lack of 4wd didnít scare us off by weíve been driving FWD VW vans for all of our adult lives and it never held us back and we have never felt ďwe wish we had gotten a 4wdĒ. But as another poster above mentioned, itís the #1 question and the answer is no although people tend to not believe it. They must not know about good winter tires on a fwd.
    Weíve only been stuck once in maggot Kokomasís driveway which was more about my husband driving backwards too fast than anything with the vehicle lol
    The rear axle situation is odd but itís WAY higher than the eurovan we were replacing it with. We certainly deliberated for a long time before making the purchase
    They do drive way more like a truck than other vans though. We didnít build ours out too crazily either-built ours with more elbow room and simplicity in mind. No sink, big kitchen set up etc which is what really adds the weight and takes up space.

    And with the money saved Iím buying that porsche Iíve been wanting

    The people that just discovered winter tires......wowzee. We never take our winter tires off here lol


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  11. #6361
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    Ok makes sense. It would be $10k more if it had the 7.3 PSD
    I'd have left work early with cash in hand if it was lol. The V10 is a decent motor for what it is. Nice not to deal with a 7.3 in the winter either.

  12. #6362
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    Not sure of the years but some of those V10s have a rep for blowing plugs out of heads. My buddy has one and has never had an issue. Grain of salt...

  13. #6363
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    In all the E350 Ford vans the general consensus is that the V10 is the best combination of power, reliability, and economy.

    5.4 gas and 6.0 PSD are opposite end of spectrum.

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    I can personally tell you no 6.0s. Although mine is pretty rad now. I think the plug issue was a certain year in the pickups. Worth a google though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    In all the E350 Ford vans the general consensus is that the V10 is the best combination of power, reliability, and economy.
    5.4 gas and 6.0 PSD are opposite end of spectrum.
    Our Super Duty 450 24 foot class C has the V10 and we like it very much. After 16 years and 128,000 km it is still going strong. It has a sweet spot between 100 and 110 where it is so smooth especially compared to big block V8 Chev U Hauls I have driven. It also really hauls ass in a 24 footer.

    The only caution is changing the plugs at 100,000 km. Combine crawling into the van doghouse with crappy two piece Ford plugs that break plus and aluminum heads and there could be a problem. Discretion prevailed and I had the dealer do it so if they broke it they bought it.

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    Yeah Triton spark plugs are awful. Like having live grenades. Definitely pay someone to replace.

  17. #6367
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    Quote Originally Posted by babybear View Post
    Weíve been very happy with the promaster.
    This will be our 3rd winter and my husband uses it as his daily driver.
    Maybe the lack of 4wd didnít scare us off by weíve been driving FWD VW vans for all of our adult lives and it never held us back and we have never felt ďwe wish we had gotten a 4wdĒ. But as another poster above mentioned, itís the #1 question and the answer is no although people tend to not believe it. They must not know about good winter tires on a fwd.
    Weíve only been stuck once in maggot Kokomasís driveway which was more about my husband driving backwards too fast than anything with the vehicle lol
    The rear axle situation is odd but itís WAY higher than the eurovan we were replacing it with. We certainly deliberated for a long time before making the purchase
    They do drive way more like a truck than other vans though. We didnít build ours out too crazily either-built ours with more elbow room and simplicity in mind. No sink, big kitchen set up etc which is what really adds the weight and takes up space.

    And with the money saved Iím buying that porsche Iíve been wanting

    The people that just discovered winter tires......wowzee. We never take our winter tires off here lol


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    Did you do the not so crazy build out yourselves? I want to build mine out mainly for day tripping having an indoor spot to eat and chill. Swivel seats and table facing the kids. Room for gear in the back. No plumbing or sleeping arrangements. I am like 40% handy and wondering if I can do all else if I can get someone else to swivel my seats.
    Uno mas

  18. #6368
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    Quote Originally Posted by simple View Post
    In all the E350 Ford vans the general consensus is that the V10 is the best combination of power, reliability, and economy.

    5.4 gas and 6.0 PSD are opposite end of spectrum.
    Yup. I have a hard no 6.0 rule. Honestly if I wasn't in the middle of moving and buying a house I'd go look at it. Been thinking about a truck with the V10 for a cheap tow rig but they are getting kind of scarce in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doremite View Post
    Did you do the not so crazy build out yourselves? I want to build mine out mainly for day tripping having an indoor spot to eat and chill. Swivel seats and table facing the kids. Room for gear in the back. No plumbing or sleeping arrangements. I am like 40% handy and wondering if I can do all else if I can get someone else to swivel my seats.
    if you're 40% handy, I think you can swivel your own seats. just buy a kit and bolt it in.

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    Ski RV's, who's sleeping in parking lots?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    if you're 40% handy, I think you can swivel your own seats. just buy a kit and bolt it in.
    Thatís the spirit! My wife may put it lower but I am trying to average out our collective opinion of my wrenching skills. There are wires!!!!
    Uno mas

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    Quote Originally Posted by babybear View Post
    We never take our winter tires off here lol


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    You just like chewing through that good traction on the hot pavement, huh?

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    I've thought of going that route -- a cab & chassis with a camper specific utility box. A C&C is priced a lot cheaper than a pickup and the difference almost pays for the utility box.
    If you have a problem & think that someone else is going to solve it for you then you have two problems.

  23. #6373
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    Always thought the utility box would be cool when I had F350 with slide in. If you could have it with a full length side cabinet over the wheel well, that would solve a lot of ski storage issues that can come with slide ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    You just like chewing through that good traction on the hot pavement, huh?
    if we drove more in the summer I'd consider it, but also changing tires out for the 10 weeks of summer started to seem like a silly waste of time and space in my garage :P
    we are both <5 miles from our places of work too so we ride our bikes. even picked up one of those chariot-esque trailers so I could still ride and bring my dog to the office.

    @Doremite- I dont think the swivel chairs were difficult to install. My husband was only 10% handy when he started on the van and he was able to do that.
    on the swivel chair note though- the promaster already sits you up quite high, and then the swivel adds something like another 3/4" to the height. I seem to recall 2 options- one with a little less rise and the one we got and I would go with the least height addition you can get bc it is noticeable.

    I would try to test drive a promaster first though bc the doors are really tall and skinny and I felt the seats were a bit higher than in other vans we tried.
    But you also can't judge it if you test drive it blank in the back bc it drove and sounded like sh*t when we first got it before doing any insulation and work on it so ideally one that has something in the back - work or vanlife
    The built in storage on a high roof promaster is also dope. My friends with sprinters had to add what comes stock (it's over the driver/ passenger space)

    I may be wrong on this or it may have changed with newer models, but I believe adding the espar heater was a much easier endeavor on the promaster than on sprinters and transits bc the promaster comes with an auxiliary port on the gas tank. And that heater has been MF'ing AWESOME. you set it like a thermostat in your house and your van stays that temp. so nice when you get done from skiing etc
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    Swivel chairs will have the seat movement controls and airbag sensor. You should be able to get the same connectors, little sections of wire, crimpers, wire loom, and some electrical tape. You just need to extend the length of the connections if they are not long enough to accommodate the swivel. Other than buying the stuff on amazon, it should add about 5-10 minutes of time per swivel install.

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