4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

**The Stopper** · 08-11-2021, 09:41 AM

I think the final Hoji specs are already listed, everything but the blurred out graphic. The specs show a 191 with multi-radius that wasn't available laster year, only the 195. 191 coming in at 2,066.

**CrystalSkier** · 08-11-2021, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by thejongiest

Anyone know the weight on the new 184 Hoji?

The skis is going to come in at around 1985-2000 g

**XavierD** · 08-11-2021, 03:47 PM

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Full renegade graphic on the right, if anyone cares

**stealurface831** · 08-11-2021, 03:58 PM

Devastator looks unreal.

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**Skidog** · 08-11-2021, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by kc_7777

Also looking forward to the final specs on August 18, 2021. I'm thinking of getting a pair of 184cm Hoji this year for inbounds....mount with STHs I think. We're gonna do 3 weeks in the Kootenays this winter besides Whistler, and hopefully Baker opens....so want a fully rockered ski back in the quiver. Was gonna go Rens but a 184 Hoji more versatile. And at 165lbs I like 112mm in the waist for float.

Also...was conversing in an email with 4FRNT recently and the rec mount on the 2022 184 Hojis is -4.5cm? Which I would like.

K

112 or slightly less is the sweet spot for any good ski imho. Sure I've skied a fat or 2 that can hold it's own on hardpack, but with a 130ish tip and a 105-115 waist and around 20m radius you get a very versatile ski. Sure you go to AK or the bird, where you can open up a ski once in a while a bigger radius might help, but I primarily skied around 110 or less underfoot when I lived in the 'satch

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**Tailwind** · 08-11-2021, 11:04 PM

The new Ren graphic is probably my favorite from 4frnt in the last few years to say the least. Interesting… and tempting

**kid-kapow** · 08-12-2021, 04:32 AM

all of 4FRNT's product videos on the 2022 lineup are live on YouTube

edit: they are the same videos as last year, just with a new product shot in the start to show off the new graphic. Makes sense as most of the skis return unchanged beside a new graphic.

**tang** · 08-12-2021, 08:22 AM

Now somethings messed up with their site or my browser... not all the skis are showing up. But I think only line-up changes this year are the new Hoji and the new (I think) Switch park ski

**kc_7777** · 08-12-2021, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

112 or slightly less is the sweet spot for any good ski imho. Sure I've skied a fat or 2 that can hold it's own on hardpack, but with a 130ish tip and a 105-115 waist and around 20m radius you get a very versatile ski. Sure you go to AK or the bird, where you can open up a ski once in a while a bigger radius might help, but I primarily skied around 110 or less underfoot when I lived in the 'satch

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Yep agreed. Got 8 skis in the current quiver….and 4 pairs are in the 106mm - 112mm waist width range. Last pair of Hojis I owned were the 2013 Pilsner Hojis.

**kc_7777** · 08-13-2021, 10:05 AM

Got early access to 4FRNT 2022 lineup today.

Hoji mount is -7cm.

I have an email from 4FRNT in early July confirming mount is -4.5cm, after I asked them. I think they had the 187cm tail length on the 184cm spec sheet for a bit.

Just a reminder to re-measure and ask a few times.

All good. Nice line up 4FRNT! Damn the Rens look cool….Rens or Hojis is the decision now? Leaning Rens with Tectons now.

**PeachesNCream** · 08-18-2021, 04:31 PM

New lineup is up on their website

**jacob_dbu** · 08-18-2021, 04:46 PM

I wish they built a heavy and light version of the Hoji.

**stealurface831** · 08-18-2021, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by thejongiest

I wish they built a heavy and light version of the Hoji.

That is exactly what I thought the Hoji CC was.

**eskido** · 08-19-2021, 07:47 PM

I thought the CC was the chic’s version?

**mr_pretzel** · 08-19-2021, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by thejongiest

I wish they built a heavy and light version of the Hoji.

Jupp, really having a hard time pulling the trigger on the hoji when it’s that light

**Benneke10** · 08-19-2021, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Jupp, really having a hard time pulling the trigger on the hoji when it’s that light

Did the weight change? I'm looking at the site and the weights look the same as before ~2kg in 184. Am I missing something?

**doebedoe** · 08-19-2021, 08:45 PM

Any first hand experience with the Hoji-lock skins?

Thinking of selling my Down 104Ls and moving on to something a little more soft-snow biased with the Raven. Have a week in a BC hut outside Nelson this year, but mostly in CO snowpack.

**jacob_dbu** · 08-19-2021, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Benneke10

Did the weight change? I'm looking at the site and the weights look the same as before ~2kg in 184. Am I missing something?

It got heavier slightly.

I wish they made a 2100g and 1700g one. Would make it obvious what you’re buying it for. The problem I have with 1900g is personally I don’t do much “sidecountry” so my days are either all in or all out of bounds.

**tang** · 08-20-2021, 10:36 AM

The two weights is a great idea. I do feel the hoji line up is oddly weighted. The ren is sub 2100 (light) but the raven 190 is 1850 (relatively heavy).
I’d be very interested in those Down 104Ls!

**gaijin** · 08-20-2021, 07:06 PM

I'm stoked on the Hoji's new rocker profile being flatter underfoot for 130cm of running length.

**Tailwind** · 08-20-2021, 07:32 PM

I like the weights for touring skis. Light enough to tour on. Heavy enough to ski great in soft conditions.

They’re not really meant as resort skis. I could see the use for a 2500gram Ren as a resort ski.

**Mustonen** · 08-20-2021, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

I have special 2020 191 ren with a full maple core that weighs 2400ish grams. It’s not the same ski it once was. It floats much more on top now and is actually easier to ski inbounds as it’s not as fatiguing. It sort of feels more like a wider hoji now, but definitely has more oophf. Just not the same “hold my dick” energy.

Also the old 196 never felt like a huge ski, but this 191 feels closer to the older 186 vs the 196

Originally Posted by Mustonen

What now?

Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Haha it’s just a proto I got a hold of, full maple core 2400g per ski.

It’s an awesome layup, feels like a jski so great for inbounds, hopefully with the new renegade updates coming next year they do something similar. The renegade deserves a layup that can charge.

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Originally Posted by Mustonen

You should sell me yours. What’s your BSL?

Originally Posted by North

1 PR of maple core protos available on 4FRNT online garage sale right now...

Originally Posted by Mustonen

Mine.

So excited to get on these…..

(Just spraying)

**gaijin** · 08-21-2021, 01:03 AM

Did I read that right— the Hoji is traditionally stiffer (burlier?) than the Renegade?

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**myles long** · 09-11-2021, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by doebedoe

Any first hand experience with the Hoji-lock skins?

Thinking of selling my Down 104Ls and moving on to something a little more soft-snow biased with the Raven. Have a week in a BC hut outside Nelson this year, but mostly in CO snowpack.

No experience yet but have a pair on order!

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**The Stopper** · 09-29-2021, 01:02 PM

A pair of the new, redesigned Hoji's just showed up at my door in a 191. Rocker profile looks great, much less drastic but still very much a continuous rocker profile. The biggest impression I had compared to my 195 2019 version is the stiffness from boot to tail. At least in terms of hand flex, for whatever it's worth, it is noticeably stiffer in the tail. The 195's were somewhat soft but these are legit stiff. Tip doesn't feel much different, still on the softer side.