4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

**tang** · 12-15-2022, 01:20 PM

^^^ I’ve got those same Rens… coolest graphic of any ski ever

**Bobcat Sig** · 12-15-2022, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by tang

^^^ I’ve got those same Rens… coolest graphic of any ski ever

They are legit. For me, it's' a toss-up between the Raven 2.0 and the original Owl graphic.

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**Mustonen** · 12-15-2022, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig

They are legit. For me, it's' a toss-up between the Raven 2.0 and the original Owl graphic.

Wanna sell?

**Bobcat Sig** · 12-15-2022, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Mustonen

Wanna sell?

Maybe? I was able to mount them where I like them and gave up trying to sell them a few years ago. I planned to hang on to them for those nipple-deep days. I'll think on it.

I'd rather sell the Raven 2.0 I mentioned earlier.

**Mustonen** · 12-15-2022, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig

Maybe? I was able to mount them where I like them and gave up trying to sell them a few years ago. I planned to hang on to them for those nipple-deep days. I'll think on it.

I'd rather sell the Raven 2.0 I mentioned earlier.

What’s your BSL?

**gaijin** · 12-15-2022, 10:24 PM

Bobcat— I have and love those owls in the forest here. What skis are you riding more than that Ren?

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**Bobcat Sig** · 12-16-2022, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Mustonen

What’s your BSL?

The Raven 2.0 were 310mm BSL, I think? I'll see if I can dig out the original for sale thread.

Originally Posted by gaijin

Bobcat— I have and love those owls in the forest here. What skis are you riding more than that Ren?

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For a time, it was the Moment Bibby Pro, now the WIldcat. Those were superseded by the ON3P BillyGoat. Sadly, we don't get the accumulations necessary for the Rens to really run and be in their element. The few time I tried skiing them at local PNWet areas; they sunk to the bottom and skied the hard pack under the snow. It sucked. Then, later in the day, you're skiing crud and bumped out pow on 196 pow missiles. So I keep them for the rare deep days or if I can convince any buddy or maggot for some heli trips, which is where they shine.

**XtrPickels** · 01-03-2023, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig

The Raven 2.0 were 310mm BSL, I think? I'll see if I can dig out the original for sale thread.

For a time, it was the Moment Bibby Pro, now the WIldcat. Those were superseded by the ON3P BillyGoat. Sadly, we don't get the accumulations necessary for the Rens to really run and be in their element. The few time I tried skiing them at local PNWet areas; they sunk to the bottom and skied the hard pack under the snow. It sucked. Then, later in the day, you're skiing crud and bumped out pow on 196 pow missiles. So I keep them for the rare deep days or if I can convince any buddy or maggot for some heli trips, which is where they shine.

I find this confusing. They sunk in the heavy snow, but you're holding onto them for deep days?

**gaijin** · 01-09-2023, 12:42 AM

Cheers, Bobcat. I appreciate it.

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**Gustavar** · 01-23-2023, 05:39 PM

What’s the latest thinking on mount point for the Renegades?

I’ve got a pair of 191s in the mail, mounting for a 305mm bsl. Based on the hoji calculation I’d be mounting at -1cm back from recommended, but I’m not sure if that article still applies to the latest generation of renegades. Can’t find much discussion since the new lengths came out

**crashidy** · 01-23-2023, 10:10 PM

Just posted a pair of green revolvers to gear swap 196cm

**Lantern** · 03-28-2023, 04:06 PM

10 years after my original 196 owls, new 22/23 Owls!

**Mustonen** · 03-28-2023, 08:04 PM

Those are very pretty

**kc_7777** · 07-24-2023, 05:47 PM

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L to R: Raven, Hoji, Renegade topsheets for 2024.

Raven looks cool as always. With a Raven. 2nd year of a cat on the Hoji. Wolf Ren is back.
Not bad. Raven is the best.

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**halliday** · 07-24-2023, 06:16 PM

Those Ravens look badass

**tang** · 07-25-2023, 11:07 AM

The ravens always look cool, miss mine. The other two are meh on the graphics IMO - but whatever.
How bout just all 4frnt's go pilsner graphic one year?!

**seawolf.** · 07-25-2023, 02:24 PM

Still looking for a pair of 19/20 Wolf Rens if anyone wants an upgrade this season...

**rigbone** · 07-25-2023, 05:55 PM

Not a huge fan of the hojis and rens either, especially when last years were so sick. I saw they're advertising some skis as made in Canada, is this new or have I never realized that??

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**HukuTa_KydecHuk** · 07-26-2023, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by rigbone

Not a huge fan of the hojis and rens either, especially when last years were so sick. I saw they're advertising some skis as made in Canada, is this new or have I never realized that??

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they are ordering skis at Utopie factory in Canada for last 5 years

**SnowMachine** · 07-26-2023, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by kc_7777

L to R: Raven, Hoji, Renegade topsheets for 2024.

Raven looks cool as always. With a Raven. 2nd year of a cat on the Hoji. Wolf Ren is back.
Not bad. Raven is the best.

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I will have either the Hoji or Ren in my quiver this year. Probably the Hoji for its versatility. Haven't decided yet.

**kc_7777** · 07-26-2023, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by SnowMachine

I will have either the Hoji or Ren in my quiver this year. Probably the Hoji for its versatility. Haven't decided yet.

I sold my 2022 Bear Rens last year. And bought 2023 Pilsner Hojis. The Hoji is such a great ski for everything. Mine have Pivots as I use them inbounds a lot. Thinking a 4FRNT Hoji will always be in the quiver. I also have the 2022 Raven and absolutely love those.

Rens are good too. But I like the Hojis and Ravens better? And I have yet unskied Armada Whitewalker 121s and Season Forma 118s….so no need for Rens. Yet.

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**tang** · 07-27-2023, 09:00 AM

In current generations of this line (vs the old heavy lay ups), I think it’s safe to say that the tips get softer as you go from rav to hoj to ren. I found the ravens to be pretty magic for my style (admittedly pretty forward even tho on a fwd mounted ski), and the ren tips for me got too hung up. (Certainly compared to older rens that would go through anything. The weights tho tell that obvious story.) The hoji is likely a happy medium. And its shape provides plenty float already. Net net, if on the fence in this line up, I’d recommend going narrower

**SnowMachine** · 07-31-2023, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by tang

In current generations of this line (vs the old heavy lay ups), I think it’s safe to say that the tips get softer as you go from rav to hoj to ren. I found the ravens to be pretty magic for my style (admittedly pretty forward even tho on a fwd mounted ski), and the ren tips for me got too hung up. (Certainly compared to older rens that would go through anything. The weights tho tell that obvious story.) The hoji is likely a happy medium. And its shape provides plenty float already. Net net, if on the fence in this line up, I’d recommend going narrower

Fair enough. Honestly, for me (at 6' 160) I rarely feel the need to go past a 110 width. Last winter was the ultimate banger out here and I probably could have ridden my Enforcer 110's daily (I did for a good part of the season). It think the Hoji in 184 would make a really fun resort, soft snow, ski.

**SnowMachine** · 07-31-2023, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by kc_7777

I sold my 2022 Bear Rens last year. And bought 2023 Pilsner Hojis. The Hoji is such a great ski for everything. Mine have Pivots as I use them inbounds a lot. Thinking a 4FRNT Hoji will always be in the quiver. I also have the 2022 Raven and absolutely love those.

Rens are good too. But I like the Hojis and Ravens better? And I have yet unskied Armada Whitewalker 121s and Season Forma 118s….so no need for Rens. Yet.

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I'm still on the fence about my wide wide ski. I'm on the Faction La Machine Max and haven't fallen in love with them, but maybe haven't given them a fair chance. I've only ridden them inbounds and it's too much ski for me when things get chopped up. I tend to like being "in" the snow a bit when it gets tracked. I need to get them in the back country, on a cat or heli. We'll see.

**kc_7777** · 07-31-2023, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by SnowMachine

I'm still on the fence about my wide wide ski. I'm on the Faction La Machine Max and haven't fallen in love with them, but maybe haven't given them a fair chance. I've only ridden them inbounds and it's too much ski for me when things get chopped up. I tend to like being "in" the snow a bit when it gets tracked. I need to get them in the back country, on a cat or heli. We'll see.

Haha. I’m so bad for not giving skis a fair chance. But life is short and whatever. You can always re-buy a ski. I’ve re-bought Renegades 3x and Faction Candide 5.0s 2x.

But it’s so fun to try new stuff….

For my wide skis I currently have unmounted 2022 K2 Pon2oons and unmounted 2021 K2 Reckoners 122s. And have mounted Whitewalker 121 (CAST) and mounted Forma 118s (Pivots).

Got some STH 16 (130mm) and Duke PT 16 (125mm) bindings on standby. Was thinking Duke PT on the Reckoners and STH on the Pon2oon.

But may sell the Pon2oons as 132mm is so frickin’ wide. But we’ll see. I’ve heard they are fun.

Renegades + Duke PTs would be a good combo too.

First world…..I know.

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