4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[Mustonen]

I have the maple core proto wolf graphic. No idea how they back to back against others. I just know they’re heavier.

This is the fun kind of gear whoring. I suppose I should try Hojis for science and stuff. And Factions.

C’est la vie.

[SnowMachine]

Haha. I’m so bad for not giving skis a fair chance. But life is short and whatever. You can always re-buy a ski. I’ve re-bought Renegades 3x and Faction Candide 5.0s 2x.

But it’s so fun to try new stuff….

For my wide skis I currently have unmounted 2022 K2 Pon2oons and unmounted 2021 K2 Reckoners 122s. And have mounted Whitewalker 121 (CAST) and mounted Forma 118s (Pivots).

Got some STH 16 (130mm) and Duke PT 16 (125mm) bindings on standby. Was thinking Duke PT on the Reckoners and STH on the Pon2oon.

But may sell the Pon2oons as 132mm is so frickin’ wide. But we’ll see. I’ve heard they are fun.

Renegades + Duke PTs would be a good combo too.

First world…..I know.

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I've seen your threads. You're definitely a worse gear whore than I am, but I'm just getting started. I changed over from snowboarding a few years back to teach my kid to ski. Now I'm totally hooked. I did a couple of thirty day seasons then jumped to 70 and 100 last year. My skiing changed a ton last year and so did my preference in skis.

My problem is that I'm on the quest for the perfect small quiver, but I ski everything from park to back country. I could probably make some compromises, but hey..... like you said, life is short.

Hoji's here I come.

[OttoP]

Had a successful almost two months of not thinking about skiing every day, but now it smells like the summer is gone so I'm thinking about which way to go with culling the touring quiver from three to two:

Got the Raven in the spring and toured exclusively on it. Planning to pair it with either Hoji or Renegade, as it feel dumb to switch between regular skis and the Raven.

Case for Hoji feels like is redundancy: if one breaks, the other ski isn't too far off for substitute duties. The Raven seems to be built very sturdy, so this feels like not not a huge concern and redundancy doesn't feel like that interesting reason to choose a ski.

Argument for Renegade is non-overlap, powder performance and big mountain performance I guess. Currently leaning towards the Renegade. Most likely it'll be only touring, with a low-tech binding. Anyone with a similar or a different approach to a small 4frnt quiver?

[PinyonJuniper5]

Anyone with a similar or a different approach to a small 4frnt quiver?

I use the Raven 4-lock as my primary touring ski, and have an older Hoji as a dedicated powder ski. While I like this combo, I do think there is too much overlap between the two.

As others have said, the Hoji’s are more of an “in the powder” ski, and the same can be said for the Ravens. While I haven’t skied them, I imagine the Renegades will keep you much closer to the surface. If you like being on top, I think the Renegade could be justified anytime there is more than 4-5” of new snow. Any less than that, and you should just use your Ravens. Although, ideally you would have a pair of all three!


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[North]

Anyone with a similar or a different approach to a small 4frnt quiver?

I used a Raven + Ren for all of my touring last season, except for one dumb day of sidestepping down steep talus.

Out of the 50+ wintery days I skied the Ren for ~45, maybe more. Every day I was on the Raven I'd wished I brought the Ren, excepting one longish "working" day. Love the Raven as a spring ski, haven't figured it out as a winter option (190 might be too much for me) but you're already stoked on it - all the more reason to go Ren for slot 2. I have ~4 seasons on a Hoji (red/white) as my touring ski and I think its sweet spot is as a quiver of one. If you can have two go Raven + Ren.

[kc_7777]

I find Hojis shapes so good inbounds. The Pilsner Hojis we’re my favourite skis last year. I’ll likely end up with a Raven + Hoji + Renegade trio in the quiver for the coming season.

I’ve got walkable binders on the Ravens (Duke PT’s) and Pivots on the Hojis. Probably STH the Renegades.

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[tang]

Raven punches well above its weight and width in powder. But the Ren isnt much heavier - just more uphill friction. Personally I think the Raven can be an every day but steep/hard snow ski, especially if you err a bit longer.
I didn't like the new Ren as much based on its wider, softer tip. The OG Ren is obviously a whole different animal. But lots of folk love the new Ren... so just one more opinion thrown into the gumbo.

[kc_7777]

Well dang I had a 10% off code, and Marshal confirmed the FR110 overlaps with my newer Hojis. Bought a 184cm Renegade to complete the 4FRNT Hoji collection. Will post pics of the three siblings once mounted.

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[rfconroy]

I used a Raven + Ren for all of my touring last season, except for one dumb day of sidestepping down steep talus.

Out of the 50+ wintery days I skied the Ren for ~45, maybe more. Every day I was on the Raven I'd wished I brought the Ren, excepting one longish "working" day. Love the Raven as a spring ski, haven't figured it out as a winter option (190 might be too much for me) but you're already stoked on it - all the more reason to go Ren for slot 2. I have ~4 seasons on a Hoji (red/white) as my touring ski and I think its sweet spot is as a quiver of one. If you can have two go Raven + Ren.

^^ This right here

Did the same thing, been on all three Hoji skis as well. With the combo of the Ren/Raven you dont really need anything else

[Lantern]

Argument for Renegade is non-overlap, powder performance and big mountain performance I guess. Currently leaning towards the Renegade. Most likely it'll be only touring, with a low-tech binding. Anyone with a similar or a different approach to a small 4frnt quiver?

Always bring your renegades
(Why did I ever sell my 2nd gen 196?!)

[OttoP]

Hey, thanks for all the input in here! Went with the Renegades. Funny coincidence is that the graphic looks a bit like my dog when she's running at full speed.

They'll be delivered in november by the norwegian distributor so there's ample time to ponder the binding choice a bit and time for some early season snow developments here in Lyngen.

[Gustavar]

I’m looking for an all-mountain ski to compliment my 191 Renegades. I currently ski a 184 Black Crows Corvus, but ever since I got my Rens last year they’ve made me aware of just how much fun a ski can be, and the Corvuses just aren’t clicking for me like they used to

I’m hoping to find something that matches what I love about the Rens: nimble, intuitive, can still carry speed on a runout and are super supportive landing airs, but that is more versatile for my non-pow days.

I’m looking at the 4Frnt Devastators, I think they check the more fun and nimble boxes, my only concern is whether they’ll feel too soft for those harder days at Whistler

So Renegade owners, what should I ski when it’s truly impractical to pull out the Rens?

[Self Jupiter]

Heritage lab FR110
Praxis mvp

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m looking for an all-mountain ski to compliment my 191 Renegades. I currently ski a 184 Black Crows Corvus, but ever since I got my Rens last year they’ve made me aware of just how much fun a ski can be, and the Corvuses just aren’t clicking for me like they used to

I’m hoping to find something that matches what I love about the Rens: nimble, intuitive, can still carry speed on a runout and are super supportive landing airs, but that is more versatile for my non-pow days.

I’m looking at the 4Frnt Devastators, I think they check the more fun and nimble boxes, my only concern is whether they’ll feel too soft for those harder days at Whistler

So Renegade owners, what should I ski when it’s truly impractical to pull out the Rens?

Ravens. I skied them a fair bit last year on some days with 4-6” or less and they’re a really fun inbounds ski.


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[gaijin]

Heritage lab FR110

I laughed because I completely agree and yet don’t know.

[Mustonen]

I’m looking for an all-mountain ski to compliment my 191 Renegades. I currently ski a 184 Black Crows Corvus, but ever since I got my Rens last year they’ve made me aware of just how much fun a ski can be, and the Corvuses just aren’t clicking for me like they used to

I’m hoping to find something that matches what I love about the Rens: nimble, intuitive, can still carry speed on a runout and are super supportive landing airs, but that is more versatile for my non-pow days.

I’m looking at the 4Frnt Devastators, I think they check the more fun and nimble boxes, my only concern is whether they’ll feel too soft for those harder days at Whistler

So Renegade owners, what should I ski when it’s truly impractical to pull out the Rens?

I have a 188 Corvus for exactly what you describe, and I really like them for that. I did not get along with the 193, and haven’t ridden the 184. I also didn’t like them at recommended, but back a couple cm.

Feels like 191 ren to 184 Corvus might be a bigger adjustment? Otherwise I don’t have any real ideas, but I did run through a number of skis in that slot before finding and being happy with the 188 Corvus. Rossi Sender Free 110 has piqued my interest, though. Salomon QST 106 too. Haven’t had a chance to get on either, and if I replaced the 188 Corvus today it’d be with another 188 Corvus.

And yeah, the heritage lab thing seems cool but a bit fevered at this point. Not unlike any other ski that has a hype machine thread on here (like Ren and Corvus). Still watching closely and would have pulled the trigger on a pair of FR110 if I didn’t have so much else going on right now.

[Gustavar]

Heritage Labs FR110 looks killer but sold out in 186 which I think is what I’d lean towards over the 192. I’m 5’11 and 155lb so not a huge guy for driving bigger skis

I’ve loved my Corvus but I think the flat stiff tail is not a great match for my generally quick and nimble ski style. I get them around no problem but it’s less intuitive and more strong and deliberate skiing (but they’re a riot when I’m skiing more fall line)

I’m intrigued by the ravens but I’d worry they’re a bit touring focussed for an inbounds whistler dd

Might need to do some demo-ing here to narrow in on a vibe of ski. Dynastar M-Free 108 also seems interesting as something more playful than the Corvus, or the Wildcat 108

Still leaning Devs though if anyone has opinions on them

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If you don’t think the Raven will be enough ski for a daily driver at Whistler you might look at the Prior Husume. I own both, the extra camber and weight of the Husume is nice but they’re still maneuverable and fun. Bonus is that’s where they were designed for. Personally I don’t think the 190 Raven is lacking anything against the 188 Husume


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[kc_7777]

I ski 184 Ravens inbounds at Whistler. A lot. They’re really good.

New 184 wolf Rens delivered yesterday. Rocking four pairs of rockered skis in the this year’s quiver.

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[kc_7777]

FYI….

If you order this year’s Renegades without the 4-lock skins….they ship you Rens with the Hoji hole.

Talked to 4FRNT and they confirmed this is the case. All Rens have the hole in the tail this year.

Same for the Ravens.

Apparently this years Hojis come both ways (with hole and without).

I bot my Rens without skins as I planned to use them as an inbounds pow skis.

I did ask and 4FRNT said I could buy some 4-lock skis for my Rens.

First world problem and just an FYI. But weird…and not clear on the website.

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[skinipenem]

I’m looking for an all-mountain ski to compliment my 191 Renegades. I currently ski a 184 Black Crows Corvus, but ever since I got my Rens last year they’ve made me aware of just how much fun a ski can be, and the Corvuses just aren’t clicking for me like they used to

I’m hoping to find something that matches what I love about the Rens: nimble, intuitive, can still carry speed on a runout and are super supportive landing airs, but that is more versatile for my non-pow days.

I’m looking at the 4Frnt Devastators, I think they check the more fun and nimble boxes, my only concern is whether they’ll feel too soft for those harder days at Whistler

So Renegade owners, what should I ski when it’s truly impractical to pull out the Rens?

IMHO devs are excellent compliments to ren until the snow becomes ice; then they suck. Drvs still do pretty well in pow but obviously not Ren well.

Devs are incredibly nimble, intuitive, surfy, and still ski chop, especially lower density chop, very well. They are terrible in icy conditions.



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[Gustavar]

Thanks for the thoughts y’all

IMHO devs are excellent compliments to ren until the snow becomes ice; then they suck. Drvs still do pretty well in pow but obviously not Ren well.

Devs are incredibly nimble, intuitive, surfy, and still ski chop, especially lower density chop, very well. They are terrible in icy conditions.



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That’s really good to know! Sounds like pretty much what I’m looking for…

When you say ice conditions, do you mean real east coast boilerplate, or the kind of firmed up groomers Whistler/western skiers call ice that is still edgable?

I’m an ex racer and like to carve, but I’m okay if I can’t really rip on boilerplate as we very rarely get it out here, mostly groomer days are pretty edgable always

[waveshello]

IMO boiler plate is a hard no on devs, firmed up groomers not fun.

[jski171]

Anyone find themselves in between 184s and 191s for touring on rens and have advice? Can’t make up my mind. 191 would be a no brainer with alpine bindings but not sure I’ll want that on skin tracks. 5’11 180lbs for reference and I like to drive my tips.

[Mustonen]

Anyone find themselves in between 184s and 191s for touring on rens and have advice? Can’t make up my mind. 191 would be a no brainer with alpine bindings but not sure I’ll want that on skin tracks. 5’11 180lbs for reference and I like to drive my tips.

Short skis suck.