4FRNT Renegade ~ Hand built in SLC.

[4FRNT]

Anyone gonna trade up their 186's for the 196's?

I can't imagine that any self-respecting mag would be caught dead on the second-longest length of any ski....

[whyturn]

^^^^^^^^But where is the mag deal on the 196

[4FRNT]

^^^^^^^^But where is the mag deal on the 196

Yeah, I think we pre-sold every single pair in the first two weeks. We'll be lucky to have even one pair left.

[allTandA]

I can't imagine that any self-respecting mag would be caught dead on the second-longest length of any ski....

^^^damn son.

I just got called out as a pussy.


Edit: hey 4frnt, I'll give you $500 for the last pair if you need some burning man cash(for psychedelic drugs)............ZING!

[DudeLebowSKI]

^^^damn son.

I just got called out as a pussy.

All they had were 186's when I bought mine.....others have no god damn excuse!

[DudeLebowSKI]

Yeah, I think we pre-sold every single pair in the first two weeks. We'll be lucky to have even one pair left.

Are they all gone? I was just on your website and it allows me to add them to my shopping cart... Don't make me go to 'check out' just to test your claim

[4FRNT]

... if you need some burning man cash(for psychedelic drugs)............ZING!

That's a vicious, dirty rumor! Buying Renegades now will only pay for NEXT year's psychedelics.

[JRainey]

Are you guys still going ahead with the ehp conversion to renegade geometry? Any chance of an inside line to buy whiteroom proto pairs of those. After then seeing what you guys can build in slc i'm less interested in elan built production runs.

[4FRNT]

Well, the answer to your second question is no, we won't have any prototypes for sale. For all of our non-Renegade skis, we usually only end up with two working prototypes. One for the athlete, and one to send to the factory. As far as the changes being made, I'm not really sure how much I can talk about them until later on in the season. We are constantly testing and updating all of our models, every year, so don't be surprised to see some changes along the entire line come SIA. Hope that's vague enough for you!

[JRainey]

Perfectly vague

[D(C)]

I did spy some protos on the glacier on Blackcomb at the end of July. Next to what were clearly Hoji's Renegades mounted with Dynafit Radicals, there was a pair of White Room skis with Renegade graphics but a narrower waist and regular sidecut with "Cody" handwritten on them. I couldn't tell what was going on rocker-wise. They just looked like normal all-mountain skis. I'll be interested to see what those turn into. Maybe a replacement for the Turbo?

[Maker]

new EHP with Renegade specs but EHP flex please.....

[D(C)]

new EHP with Renegade specs but EHP flex please.....

Eric H. mentioned making a 112-waisted version of the Ren when I saw him in Whistler last November so I'm guessing that's the direction the new EHP will take. What I think would make sense would be to keep the current stiffness in the 112-waisted ski, making that the charging comp-like ski, and to soften up the 122 waisted version to add pow focus. That would be a sweet 2 ski quiver.

[JRainey]

I would actually want something similar to the renegade stiffness in the tail, but ehp flex in the tip. At 112mm under foot the tip would be pretty skinny so i'd want more softness to get the tips up. Not the whole front half of the ski, just where the major splay kicks in. I wouldn't want a comp ski but more a charging capable touring ski. Carbon layers for good measure.

Fuck it, actually two versions: one ehp flex for touring, and one renegade flex for a hardpack-ish ski. I would mount the latter at -3cm from center because I loved the way that position skied in everything but deep pow.

Still keep the fatty stiff though, don't mess with a good thing.

The renegade has such an awesome geometry that there show be a whole line based off it.

4frnt, when will you just open your full custom operations to satisfy the whims of us hooligans?

[merlinmassoud]

little reverse camber on 100/115 cm + stiff flex + 5 dimensions side cut and no thrue tip tail =
the unbeliveble recipe of the renegade.
the secret: adjustement outline/rocker, specially on the tip.

with that, the crj and yle, 4frnt has got a solid fondation for the future. behind skinnier or wider, what they could put on the next shape:
-round edges and rails on the inverse parts
- 3D bases (multi facet or side) for smooth and easy change angle
- mix with praxis (concept and bpc) shape

PS : thanks for all the nice skis you're making and sorry for my bad english

[merlinmassoud]

http://www.earlyups.com/featured/gee...ut-ski-shapes/

[ZekeWolf]

Yeah, I think we pre-sold every single pair in the first two weeks. We'll be lucky to have even one pair left.

Damn I really hope one pair of R 196 is on is way to Germany..

[4FRNT]

Damn I really hope one pair of R 196 is on is way to Germany..

We have a whole bunch of them headed over the pond to distributors and ultimately shops. If none of the shops in your area end up with one, let me know and I'll track a pair down for you.

[ectreeskier11]

I did spy some protos on the glacier on Blackcomb at the end of July. Next to what were clearly Hoji's Renegades mounted with Dynafit Radicals, there was a pair of White Room skis with Renegade graphics but a narrower waist and regular sidecut with "Cody" handwritten on them. I couldn't tell what was going on rocker-wise. They just looked like normal all-mountain skis. I'll be interested to see what those turn into. Maybe a replacement for the Turbo?

that's the "CDY" or something, cody's ski, something like 100-105 underfoot, basically going to replace the turbo i believe.

[4FRNT]

that's the "CDY" or something, cody's ski, something like 100-105 underfoot, basically going to replace the turbo i believe.

I can confirm now that we are NOT replacing the Turbo.

[ectreeskier11]

weird to have two skis in that same range then, especially with a skinnier renegade esque ski coming.

[merlinmassoud]

hello,

@4frnt: I just receive today my renegade from Vieux Campeur ( 186 n* 191 )
shape, flex and graphics as expected : wonderfull!
good finish.

two questions :

- how thick is the mapple sidewall?

- I'm 90 kg for 1m75, 86cm mounting point would be better for me?

[travel_to_ski]

good finish.



- how thick is the mapple sidewall?

all the way through to the other side??

[merlinmassoud]

https://www.4frnt.com/store/1011renegade
a mix maple/poplar
water is not a friend for poplar, a light wood.
canadian maple is great wood (like larch):
stable, rot-proof, wear-resistant with good mechanical properties.

[merlinmassoud]

@otto: thanks, I will look the 9 pages
carefully.
the mounting point depends a lot on the taste of each; and with reverse camber, it's more responsive.

for volkl chopstick 185 i used 87, and coreupt watch out 183 it was 83 from rear, but they were both twin tip.