DPS Wailer 112RP (aka my wallet is in for a beating)

[Mustonen]

That might push me over the fence to a sure buy. The only concern I've really got so far is the turn radius.

FYI, the specs on the site have a typo -- the running length on the 190s is 149cm. So all else being equal, 200s would have a 159cm running length.

156, depending on what all of the all else is actually equal.

[marshalolson]

it is not fully designed yet, but:

190 = 149
200 = 159

roughly 6cm more tip, 4cm more tail

sorry for the typos on the website. being updated now!

[toiletduck]

The Pures do still have a wood core you know, check the pics:

http://dpsskis.com/blogs/2010/march/...-ss-technology

Out of interest Marshal/Splat, what's the difference between Pure DPS skis and PM's two wall to wall layers of carbon - given "pure" carbon is a bit misleading?

[marshalolson]

+pure carbon skis: pre-preg aero space carbon carbon sheets. no fiberglass, top and bottom. poplar wood core. the point is that the carbon is purely carbon, and not a fiberglass composite.

+pmgear carbon: woven carbon/fiberglass material, edge to edge, tip to tail, top and bottom. ??? wood core (guess is ash/maple?)

+dps hybrid: woven fiberglass edge to edge w/ 2x 3" wide carbon stringers tip to tail, top and bottom. bamboo wood core (higher modulous/damper than most hard wood, while being lighter and more poppy).


splat, correct me if i am wrong... thanks!

[theetruscan]

Splat wrote

...made in the US of FKNA. We're gonna show those Italian guys how it's done; two full layers each of carbon fiber and glass on an aspen/poplar core

Sounds more like they are distinct layers, some of carbon, some of fiberglass. But, I am so far from an expert it's almost funny.

[Core Shot]

it is not fully designed yet, but:

190 = 149
200 = 159

roughly 6cm more tip, 4cm more tail

sorry for the typos on the website. being updated now!

not fully, but I like the fact that we have you "inside" the system working to make this happen.

thanks, Marshall

[The Dad]

Does that mean that the 200 is on, Marsh?

[splat]

+pure carbon skis: pre-preg aero space carbon carbon sheets. no fiberglass, top and bottom. poplar wood core. the point is that the carbon is purely carbon, and not a fiberglass composite.

+pmgear carbon: woven carbon/fiberglass material, edge to edge, tip to tail, top and bottom. ??? wood core (guess is ash/maple?)

+dps hybrid: woven fiberglass edge to edge w/ 2x 3" wide carbon stringers tip to tail, top and bottom. bamboo wood core (higher modulous/damper than most hard wood, while being lighter and more poppy).


splat, correct me if i am wrong... thanks!

That's pretty much it, Marshal. We do all our skis with a full edge to edge layer of pre-preg carbon and and a full layer of fiberglass above and below an aspen/poplar core. Ash and maple would be far too heavy to make our skis as light as they are. We let the dry desert air suck the moisture out of the cores for a month or two before using them to get max lightness.

What is a 2X3" carbon stringer, Marsh? 2X = top and bottom?
Glad to see Stephan putting it on top and bottom of the core, as top alone just won't do it like above and below.

[marshalolson]

Does that mean that the 200 is on, Marsh?

not yet. but............

[marshalolson]

What is a 2X3" carbon stringer, Marsh?

sorry that was not more clear. there are 2 carbon stingers on the top, 2 carbon stringers on the bottom. they are 3" wide, each. they are oriented in an X pattern longitudinally.

[The Dad]

not yet. but............

So what's the threshold?

[xtrmjoe]

I am interested in some pure 200cm flex 2's as my first choice.
My second choice is 190cm flex 3.
I sent DPS an email to that regard as on there site they are not listing the 190cm flex 3's.
I will pre-order and lay down a deposit regardless tomorrow before the deadline.
I have 202cm 138's flex 2 with dukes and 190 flex 3's with FT12's and I think the 112RP in 200cm flex 2 with sollys will kill for daily resort riding for smaller storms where the 138's would be overkill.

[The Dad]

When is the deadline?

[xtrmjoe]

April 18th for custom colors.
June 7th for the per-order price.
If the email I was sent is still correct.

[sandflea]

I finally caved in to temptation... trigger pulled on the pre-order!

[The Dad]

Marsh, any update on how close we are on 200s? Mike suggested that interest was failing to materialize.

[marshalolson]

there are 5 confirmed pairs i believe at this point... need 25 pair minimum to begin making molds/etc

[SunshineTom]

Marshal,
Can you enlighten me about the difference in feel between the pure+ss vs. the hybrid. About to pull the trigger on a pre-order of 112rp's, and I'm leaning towards the 112rp hybrids for an inbounds ski, but will order pure+ss if they are superior in feel. My favorite ski out of my quiver are my XXL's. Love the damp feel of metal for blowing through chop, that Cadillac ride. I had Pure 120's and loved them cat skiing and in the fresh, but felt like they were too lively and reactive in the cutup inbounds, they needed more dampness/metal for me. How do the old pure, pure+ss, and hybrid, compare for damp smooth snow feel with the gold standard XXL? What I want is the float/shape of the wailer rp with the smoothness of an xxl. This ski will be used 99% inbounds at Alyeska.

[The Dad]

there are 5 confirmed pairs i believe at this point... need 25 pair minimum to begin making molds/etc

Well, crap -- that doesn't sound promising.

So, having skied the 190, did you think it was too turny?

[marshalolson]

quoted from the other thread:

finally, not to tell people what to buy, and i would be really psyched to see this ski made, and think it would be pretty fun. BUT: i was the first person to complete a run ever on the w112rp, and have as many runs on them as anyone in the world. i have never though they needed to be longer than 190, not in a 70mph straight-line, not 50 feet off the ground, not stomping to hard pack, not on at 55mph on edge, not anywhere, not ever. my experience only. your milage may vary.

i can't tell you how it will ski for you, but i can say how it skied for me

[marshalolson]

Marshal,
Can you enlighten me about the difference in feel between the pure+ss vs. the hybrid. About to pull the trigger on a pre-order of 112rp's, and I'm leaning towards the 112rp hybrids for an inbounds ski, but will order pure+ss if they are superior in feel. My favorite ski out of my quiver are my XXL's. Love the damp feel of metal for blowing through chop, that Cadillac ride. I had Pure 120's and loved them cat skiing and in the fresh, but felt like they were too lively and reactive in the cutup inbounds, they needed more dampness/metal for me. How do the old pure, pure+ss, and hybrid, compare for damp smooth snow feel with the gold standard XXL? What I want is the float/shape of the wailer rp with the smoothness of an xxl. This ski will be used 99% inbounds at Alyeska.

if you want the damp cadillac ride of a metal ski like the xxl, you want the hybrid. for sure. the hybrid is still more reactive and less dead than an xxl when going from edge to edge, but super smooth and stable when skiing on your bases, in the same vein as the xxl, squad, etc.

[The Dad]

quoted from the other thread:



i can't tell you how it will ski for you, but i can say how it skied for me

Cool. Thanks.

[xtrmjoe]

quoted from the other thread:



i can't tell you how it will ski for you, but i can say how it skied for me

As usual I am sure you are right, and I will be stoked

[soul_skier]

new pre-order date for the swedish color choice is june 1st, according to facebook anyway. Can anyone confirm?

[marshalolson]

confirmed.

and jsut a note that the swedish and all colors are on the pure carbon skis only. thanks.