DPS Wailer 112RP (aka my wallet is in for a beating)

[fool]

I have same vintage RP’s and I am the same size and weight as you and Whistler is my home resort. I have RP’s mounted with Dynafit Rad 1’s for mostly touring, but have skied them frequently at the resort on powder days and for resort access backcountry.

They are a good powder ski and handle groomers well if kept in tune. I skied them in Japan in bottomless powder and they float better than any 112 waisted ski should. They perform like several of my wider 120 waisted skis. They are on the light side, so they do get knocked around a bit in crud snow, more so than the heavier RPC which have less side cut, but they are still manageable if you ski them at reasonable speeds. They’re not chargers, but are still a lot of fun and should be great with alpine bindings.

That is perfect - thanks, Wetdog. I'm likely planning to mount them with Fristchi touring bindings but will ski them for both touring and resort. I'll give them a go and if somehow it's a great snow season, I'll start looking at way bigger skis.

Also, thanks kootenayskier.

[cstefanic]

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/65920913

I really want to know WTF is going on here.

[Benneke10]

I saw those on KSL several weeks ago from a different seller for half the price. The original seller said they he bought them from a DPS employee who made them himself with a modified Alchemist layup. Looks like this Porter fellow is trying to flip.

[Marshal Olson]

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/65920913

I really want to know WTF is going on here.

those were first article camber checks made from scrap topsheets. They are guaranteed to have wacky camber/rocker lines, as well as construction and flex patterns that are less good than inline versions.

[cstefanic]

Custom

[TexasGortex]

My wife purchased 158cm Foundation 112 RPs, the ones that look like brown bananas, because she hates her marble 165cm Armada JJ UL. She describes the JJ as what I believe is catchy (one ski abruptly catches and runs wider than the other) and having tip dive. She basically bought the DPS because she heard they were easy to ski in powder and thinks it should be fun not a pain in the ass. She is a pretty fast and strong skier but entirely self taught so traditional PSIA form is not present.

Where should I mount these things to set her up for success? -11.5 seems very far back, but at this point I feel like I know nothing; I’ve never been on a DPS, I haven’t skied that far back in decades, and I’ve done my fair share of buying the wrong skis. She just wants me to pick a spot because we are both deep into analysis-paralysis. Her other skis are Faction Prodigy 1.0 and Line Blades both on the line (much more progressive than the DPS).

[Core Shot]

^^^^^
My wife still loves her RP.
I gave up on it after one season. Super fun, but too soft for me.

On your mount question I have no idea. Drove them on the line. Never a tip dive. Wife on the line, no tip dive.

158 is so short. Might need to go back 1 or 1.5cm?
Demo bindings are fun for these experiments

[El Chupacabra]

I found the RP112 really hooky on hard pack, no matter how much I detuned. Gave up in using them as a travel ski, mounted Dynafits, they're a BC ski only now.

Was she trying to ski them on groomers?

[lrn2swim]

My GF loves her Foundation 112 RPs in a 168. Super easy in powder trees which is where we end up doing most our riding. Have them mounted +1, still tons of tip. Rec is way way back

Edit: yeah the Yvettes, forgot that's the name of the women's version

[TexasGortex]

She had the headaches with the JJs in ~6 of powder over a mix of inbounds conditions including some groomed.

The mount point is WAY back, hence my hesitation. I’d normally throw just about any ski on the line and give it a go these are just an outlier compared to her other skis.

Edit: she’s only about 158cm tall so the length isn't quite as short as it might sounds

[Dromond]

If the skis are as tall as her, they are mounted on the line and have tip dive, I don’t know what to say. As others mentioned, the reccomended mount line is ultra far back compared to most modern skis, so I can’t imagine going much farther back. The huge tip rocker, taper and rearward mount generally lead to insane amounts of tip floatation.

They do have a very short turn radius and short edge length so can definitely feel hooky. Good for short, stabby turns but harder to harder to ride an edge smoothly for a big arc on a groomer.

She might just not like them.

[TexasGortex]

She was having tip dive and a bad time on the JJs (whose line is something like -4.5 I think). She hasn’t skied the DPS yet.

I edited the original post to try to clarify which skis she didn’t like and what she was having trouble with.

[Dromond]

She was having tip dive and a bad time on the JJs (whose line is something like -4.5 I think). She hasn’t skied the DPS yet.

I edited the original post to try to clarify which skis she didn’t like and what she was having trouble with.

Oh, since that case mount on the line. Sounds like she hates tip-divey center-mounted pow skis and may love the wailers. My wife is on 168s (which match her height) and is obsessed with them.

[Tailwind]

DPS used to put the line at +1 on the Yvette (womens wailer) so you might consider that.

Also… mount point is deceptive on wailers. So much early taper that outside of swing weight you can’t tell the first 10cm of ski is there until you’re in powder. My wife is a fairly centered skier and does great on the Wailer in a 168cm at 167cm tall.

She was having tip dive and a bad time on the JJs (whose line is something like -4.5 I think). She hasn’t skied the DPS yet.

I edited the original post to try to clarify which skis she didn’t like and what she was having trouble with.

[TexasGortex]

DPS customer service replied to my wife:

The recommended midsole for that particular ski is 66.5cm from the tail. I'd recommend going +2cm to make the ski a bit more playful and a better all-mountain performance. Moving the mount forward won't sacrifice float or stability, but nails the sweet spot for turn initiation and balance, and allows you to both drive the ski on the ball of the foot as well as a relaxed and more neutral stance.

I’ll try to update after we get them on snow for future reference.

[summit]

Still love my A112 184 as a one ski quiver for hut trips, travel, and do everything soft snow daily driver