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01-22-2010, 11:01 AM #1Registered User
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Bindings mounted slightly off centre (left to right NOT for / aft)!
Hi all
Following my questions about the Marker Baron 13's which I got the other day (turns out they are next seasons model) I've just noticed that - even though I had them mounted at a VERY well known and reputable ski store - each binding is mounted slightly off centre on the ski. By off centre I DON'T mean fore / aft (and there's been much discussion about doing that deliberately) but off centre left to right.
Looking from above, the binding is slightly closer to one edge of the ski than the other. There's not much in it, and most people probably wouldn't even notice - but having an eye for detail (or being OCD, you decide!) and because they're wide skis so it's more noticeable I saw it pretty much straight away.
I measured it all very carefully and in fact they're not just off centre, but actually at a VERY slight diagonal. It really is only a tiny amount, probably about 1.5 to 2 mm's difference from one end of the binding to the other - but it's there. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE! (C'mon be honest - you know what I mean right?)
So the big question is - DO YOU THINK IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE FEEL OF THE SKIS? (Mantras)?? Or am I just being a freak??
(Be honest - but not too honest!)
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01-22-2010, 11:04 AM #2
back off the screws a few turns, and try to move the binding over a bit. might help.
odds are you will not notice it skiing anyways.
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01-22-2010, 12:40 PM #3
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01-22-2010, 12:54 PM #4
I wouldn't worry about it they're plate bindings the boot is in straight so there won't be any interface or release issues. Ski them and if you notice go talk to the shop.
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01-22-2010, 12:58 PM #5
imo <5mm is more of a mindfuck than anything unless your banging gates @ 70mph.
ski them, but ski them with an open mind and see if you really can tell. i once mounted both toes off by exactly 5mm but the heels were centered. i obsessed over the fuck up but after skiing them a few times could barely tell. It certainly wasn't detrimental enough to warrant a remount.
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01-22-2010, 02:27 PM #6
you probably wont notice.
i have heard stories about shops mounting the binding offcentre when "fat"skis where new. something about getting better edge grip when the skis were so unbelievable wide, like 95mm.
the bindings being diagonal? don't worry! duckstance is the hip new thing...
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01-22-2010, 02:30 PM #7Registered User
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Wise words guys - thanks! Sort of felt it was a mindfuck issue myself really, but wanted to ask the opinion of people who probably know more about skiing than i do ;o)
FWIW, it isn't the top sheet as I've physically measured the dimensions and they ARE different from side to side, but it's a tiny amount.
I spoke to a Marker rep and it came up in conversation - he did want to know from me which shop fitted the bindings for his own information. He said that the jigs do get pretty bashed up over a season or two so do bend, and therefore sometimes don't mount accurately. That's why he wanted to know, so he could get that jig checked out.
I persuaded the guys to fit them for free too (didn't buy the ski, the bindings OR the boots from them see!) so would feel bad going back to say something to them about it!
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01-22-2010, 02:38 PM #8
You'll be fine. Ski them and love doing so. Been there before.
Gravity. It's the law.
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01-22-2010, 02:52 PM #9
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01-22-2010, 03:52 PM #13Registered User
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We have some Rossi Axioms (which, of course, kill it) like that. There's actually a separate line for right/left ski mounting
(pic from this thread: [ame="https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1046092&postcount=1"]Teton Gravity Research Forums - View Single Post - Axioms[/ame] )
We actually have a two pairs; one staggered and one not, but I've never skied them back-to-back to see the difference...
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01-22-2010, 04:42 PM #14
Being so minutely off-center, I was thinking this might be the issue. You might mention it to the shop, so they can check as well. Maybe on a 2x4 or something.
If it was WAY off, I would still complain, but for 1.5mm this cuts even more toward not asking the shop for anything.
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01-22-2010, 05:32 PM #15I touched your avatar
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I did the same thing when I mounted my Chronics. Bugged the shit out of me and I almost did a re-mount. They skied just fine in the end. It's really such a mind fuck when that happens. Especially when you mount them in the middle of the summer and have to look at them for months and wonder if they will ski like shit.
Took me like 10 minutes to figure out how to change this shit
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01-22-2010, 07:05 PM #16Registered User
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Dude can you name drop the shop? I'm in the UK and will be getting jesters mounted to fat skis in the near future and i'd like to get them to check the jig before I do if its my normal shop. If you don't want to publicly call them out can you PM me? If they are really fat its possible they had to use a paper jig to mount them..
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01-23-2010, 07:20 AM #17Registered User
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iscariot and mntlion -
If I back off the screws a bit, because of the cone shape of the underside of the screw, won't it just pull the binding plate back to where it was when I tighten them up again?
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01-23-2010, 07:44 AM #18
nope, there is a bit of wiggle room.
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01-23-2010, 10:58 AM #19
1.5-2mm from edge to edge means the center line of the binding is off .7mm-1mm from center of the ski (ie half as much).
on a 95mm waist ski, that is less than 2%. truly not noticable.
and yes, you can probably "reset" this by loosening, and pushing on the binding while tightening.
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01-27-2014, 02:41 PM #20Registered User
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Google search brought me here.
I am actually planning on mounting a new pair of skis - finally decided that I want into this whole fat skis thing and got Atomic Atlas 182. Is there any discernibly benefit/drawback on having binding closer to the inner edge? Never skied anything wider than 88mm, except for a few short demos. Of course one would need to pay attention to the left/right ski, but that would not be a problem. Planning on Look Pivot on Dynalook plates.
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01-27-2014, 04:26 PM #21
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01-27-2014, 08:33 PM #22
the inception of this thread predates the sage words of wisdom: "Mount Your Own Fucking Skis".
In search of the elusive artic powder weasel ...
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01-27-2014, 08:51 PM #23trenchman
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jong on jong on jong on jong...........
oh my god get the red boots and be done with it.
b.
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01-28-2014, 12:02 AM #24Registered User
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Buddy of mine picked up a pair of old Atomic Powder Plus in Whistler and they have the bindings mounted off center with the binding being closer to to the inside edge. The breaks are funny looking as they are longer on the outside. I tripped out when i saw them and told him those were the first fat skis ever. He looked at me and told me they skied like shit.
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01-28-2014, 06:24 AM #25
I'll add my data point. I mounted up own skis last year, and had similar concerns. One of my skis was mounted about 1.5-2mm to the left and the other was probably 1mm. I skied hard snow and soft snow, and didn't notice at all. More than anything it just annoyed me for a few weeks when I looked at it. My guess is that it will be the same with yours. Try to recenter the bindings as suggested, but don't worry about it too much.
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