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09-12-2009, 05:36 PM #176
I just talked with god. Y'know what he said? "Shamalama Ding-dong". And Carp - I dig the time thing as well. That in conjunction with what Spats just said is why I believe in Heaven but don't believe in god. Heaven is already within me and the last split second of life lasts forever. Here - this kinda explains it:
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09-12-2009, 11:06 PM #177
So in Whistler there is a lake called Lost Lake. There are a few different swimming docks around the lake. One for the masses, one for the dogs and the Locals Dock which was code for the nudie dock.
I admit, I usually ended up at the nude dock with my lady. Just imagine, watching the hottest chick possible cruising down the long ramp all the way right next to you and you knew that she was going to strip before your eyes and just, you know, hang out.
I started noticing people who were there every day that I was there and I commented more then once about these 'WEIRDOS" hanging around the nudie dock all day. Who are these people? Don't they have a job?
Then one day I was watching these two hot naked girls playing on a log rolling in the water all glistening in the warm sun. I realized that i was one of those people! And then I knew I was in heaven. After cooling off and taking in the views, I would put my stinky bike gear on and head back to the lifts till sundown.
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09-13-2009, 04:21 AM #178
As I have said already I don't expect anyone to take my word for it.
Informational content however, is not limited to empirically testable phenomena, as one can be informed about many aspects of conceptual and esoteric matters before ever having experience with such, the relevance of that information is not recognized until applicable, but though there is no device to measure it, it nonetheless is informative in nature. For example, Plato's Allegory of the Cave meant nothing to me 25 years ago when I first heard of it in a philosophy class as a college freshman, but now it presses forward in my mind whenever I find myself in such a discussion as this. Such is also the case with countless parables from the Bible.
Those that require a testable proof of God will certainly become acquainted with oblivion before their requirements will be met. Since the requirement of proof is a position of denial, it is of no surprise that those seeking proof do not see what they have already chosen to filter out.
There are two directions one can seek, one is to attempt to measure the universe with theories and instruments devised to test those theories, and the other is to focus inwardly to seek the fundamental source of the particle of awareness that is the individual consciousness.
While there is an inevitable vacillation for those who are open minded and are actually seeking truth, ultimately there comes a time where one must choose whether to trust that they are a portal to all knowing, or acquiesce to the prospect that they are a vessel seeking to perpetuate the process of gathering of measurements, or at least occupying and consuming what has been measured by others.I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -אלוהים אדירים
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09-13-2009, 01:13 PM #179
Go Sarah! We Believe!!!
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09-13-2009, 03:43 PM #180
Of course not. However, the effects of information on the behavior of people can be empirically tested -- and that is what we are really measuring and judging in every case, because we can't directly experience another's subjective perception. So in reality, there is no distinction there at all.
One interesting feature of successful religions is that they rely on assumptions that, by their nature, cannot be tested and disproved, only backed into a corner in which their existence becomes vanishingly unlikely. i.e. heaven and hell, reincarnation, etc. This makes sense: the religions that depended on testable assumptions, like "sacrifices make the rain come," tended to die out when those assumptions were invalidated.
"Give up on life before death
for life after death?
It's a tough choice.
Don't blow it"
-Rollins
People get caught up in the whole Cartesian mind-body duality, which is false. "Mind" is just a subset of reality, and "consciousness" is just the result of the very complicated interaction of our brains, our bodies, and the rest of reality.
The Allegory of the Cave is beautiful, but it has an implication not yet supported by evidence: that there is the level of Form (or Truth, or whatever) that everything else is an imperfect shadow of. We've dived into Newtonian mechanics and seen what's under that (electromagnetism, gravity, weak force) and we're starting to get glimpses of what's under that ("quantum physics"), but we haven't yet found any Cosmic Unifying Principle that says "Oh, sure, *that's* what everything is made of, that explains everything." As far as we can tell, everything is messy and complicated at every level, and the farther away we get from our own, both larger and smaller, the less comprehensible we find the results.
So in that sense, the Allegory of the Cave can indeed be tested, and found (as with most things) to be true/useful in some respects, and greatly wanting in others.
Of course: the only surviving definitions of God are the ones it's impossible to disprove.
However, as I already mentioned above, they can be backed into a very small corner from which their emergence becomes vanishingly unlikely. Just like the evolution of life on Earth: we can't actually get into a time machine and see what happened, but with each new discovery, the idea that some magical agent created it in 4004 BC becomes more and more ridiculous. And it is NOT a sign of closed-mindedness to demand a high burden of proof to overturn that.
Go inward to find something new: I have too. But if you never come back out and test what you've found against reality, you're just navel-gazing.
That's my definition of "woo" -- it might be true, it might not, but you don't feel the need to actually test it because simply believing it makes you feel good.
Would you fly in a plane designed by one who trusts they are a portal to all knowing? Or do you fly in planes designed by people who have spent many years learning very complicated physics and mathematics so that the plane actually flies?
Do you use telephones or computers? Do you ride bicycles or drive in cars? Hundreds of thousands of engineers have spent their entire lives working very, very hard so that you can use the products of their labor -- while airily dismissing them as "a vessel seeking to perpetuate the process of gathering of measurements."
That's not enlightenment, that's arrogance.
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09-13-2009, 04:27 PM #181Originally Posted by Rasputin
Feel good yet?
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09-13-2009, 05:48 PM #182
I've always thought Tool was an under cover Christian rock band ever since the 'Lateralus' album. Maybe not all fundamental, but more new agey. This might confirm. Heavy lyrics...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LO6R9WCB8k"]YouTube - "Passion" - Tool "Parabol & Parabola"[/ame]
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09-13-2009, 08:14 PM #183Registered User
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09-13-2009, 08:58 PM #184
Goddamned Dutch Mafia! You know they are all Free Masons.
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09-16-2009, 10:17 PM #185Registered User
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When you 1st move here you think its all peace & love but thats cuz all you know are other freaks , BUT its the dutch who control the commerce and subjugate the women ... thru the religion
remember if you aint dutch you aint much AND you can always tell a dutch man ...you just can't tell him much
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09-16-2009, 10:31 PM #186
you guys hear how copper wire was invented?
2 Dutchmen fighting over a penny
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09-16-2009, 10:42 PM #187
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09-16-2009, 10:53 PM #188Registered User
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thats right jake but we the freaks have allies ... the 1st nations
it was proven last fall when the provincial NDP beat the Liberals in this riding purely on the strength of the 1st nations vote , the libs won Smithers BUT were trounced everywhere else in the riding ,the NDP machine turned out the votes from the Reservation , they turned out the people , they turned out some people who had never voted in their lives
as a local gal who grew up here once told me " its your duty to not let any one cliche claim you for their own " ... try to run with everyone
so when you pass a 1st nations dude on main st ... give him the nod
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01-09-2018, 10:07 AM #189
Bumping this because;
I think God just spoke to me or was that the person on the overhead speaker asking me to go to service counter ?
Btw God is a woman
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01-09-2018, 10:35 AM #190
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01-09-2018, 10:54 AM #191
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01-09-2018, 10:55 AM #192
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04-22-2021, 05:13 PM #193
God is transmitting 5G to the Poles.
https://twitter.com/venturecommunis/...144470530?s=20
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04-22-2021, 07:51 PM #194
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04-22-2021, 08:41 PM #195
Now, when I talked to God I knew he’d understand
He said, “ stick by my side and I’ll be your guiding hand”
Don’t ask me what I think of you
I might give the answer that you want me to
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04-22-2021, 08:55 PM #196glocal
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God ran out of parables one day and asked a friend of mine to man the phones for a while.
She's been doing it every year since.
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04-22-2021, 09:13 PM #197
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04-22-2021, 09:23 PM #198man of ice
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04-22-2021, 09:52 PM #199
Alaska's next senator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyXaBVDDCPYoff your knees Louie
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