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    Skin Sizing

    How important is it to have your skins trimmed to fit your skis exactly?

    I have heard that you can actually forego having them trimmed tightly and just basically have a strip of skin down the middle of the ski and it'll be just as good as having it cover the entire base.

    I guess my more direct question would be thus:

    I have Lib-Tech NAS with a waist of 93/99mm.

    Could I get by with 90mm waisted skins or should I go with the 100mm and trim to fit?

    What are the advantages/disadvantages of having a wee bit of base exposed as opposed to having the bases covered entirely by the skin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
    How important is it to have your skins trimmed to fit your skis exactly?

    I have heard that you can actually forego having them trimmed tightly and just basically have a strip of skin down the middle of the ski and it'll be just as good as having it cover the entire base.
    No.

    Basically the steeper and firmer it gets, or the more uneven the surface, the more important it is to have full coverage, esp underfoot.
    These days I aim for skins with width about halfway between tip width and waist width, then trim the middle range. Most your weight is underfoot, very little weight is applied on the tips of the skis while skinning; I've not found full length wall-to-wall necessary, rather as long as roughly the middle half of the ski is wall-to-wall then thats about as good as it'll get.

    Advantages/disadvantages of having base exposed: advantage is, narrow skins are cheaper. Disadvantage is they'll slip much more readily. If you ever find yourself slipping while others are doing ok you will regret having skins that are too narrow. Ask Pechelman
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    You've been around here for 2.5 years and don't know how to use the search function...

    What corn god said.

    I tend to go slightly less than wall-to-wall.
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    thanks CD

    and damn Scut, you do enjoy busting my balls, don't you?

    just searched and found this, which was equally helpful in addition to the info provided by CD:

    http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...ht=skin+sizing

    my query, however, developed from a discussion whilst skinning up Gaylor last weekend in which CDLV talked about some OG BC foolios he knew who used skinny skins (just enough to run a thin strip down the middle of their skis) and they seemed to work fine. Thus, whilst there have been other skin sizing threads, they have all been "what size skins should i get for these skis?"...i was more curious as to the pros and cons of having wall-to-wall as versus just a strip down the middle of your ski.

    at any rate, gracias for the info and ball-busting.

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    Heh, just teasing you man.

    People use skinny skins and http://www.bdel.com/gear/glidelite_kicker.php skins for long flat tours/approaches so they get more glide. Skinnies would be fine up to a certain angle too if you're going straight up and your skis are perfectly flat, but you'd backslide on any traversing track that's at more than a very slight angle.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ernest_Hemingway View Post
    I realize there is not much hope for a bullfighting forum. I understand that most of you would prefer to discuss the ingredients of jacket fabrics than the ingredients of a brave man. I know nothing of the former. But the latter is made of courage, and skill, and grace in the presence of the possibility of death. If someone could make a jacket of those three things it would no doubt be the most popular and prized item in all of your closets.

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    dookster...
    Sale on 100 mm skins at bdel - ascension sts's
    Then you can get your skin on again on memorial day.

    I struggled on my 105 mm waisted skis on the skin up ellery bowl.
    Skins had been cut for an 84 mm waisted ski.

    That sucked!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whorehey View Post
    dookster...
    Sale on 100 mm skins at bdel - ascension sts's
    Then you can get your skin on again on memorial day.

    I struggled on my 105 mm waisted skis on the skin up ellery bowl.
    Skins had been cut for an 84 mm waisted ski.

    That sucked!!!!
    Thank you,you just answered my question/same set up

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCUTSKI View Post
    Skinnies would be fine up to a certain angle too if you're going straight up and your skis are perfectly flat, but you'd backslide on any traversing track that's at more than a very slight angle.
    Just to highlight the issue with skins that aren't wall to wall underfoot.

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    If you go "conventional" width, be sure use a G3 trim tool. Shown here:

    http://www.genuineguidegear.com/telemark_skin_sa.html

    Even if you do not get G3 skins (which come with one), get one of these - I assume they work fine on BDs. No time wasted screwing around with sticky, sloppy plus and minus 2mm shuffles. Put the skin on how you want it, 5 seconds of pulling down a side & you are done with a perfect trim...

    To the original question - I'm a skinning JONG, but I've noticed on relatively steeper traverses that having skin out near the edge underfoot makes my life suck a bunch less. At least until I throw in the towel anyway and enter pathetic bootpack mode...

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    danke for all the feedback.

    purchased skins this evening...now who of the SF/Yay Area collective has one of those trimming tools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
    danke for all the feedback.

    purchased skins this evening...now who of the SF/Yay Area collective has one of those trimming tools?

    Just use a regular carpet knife,that will cut it..[/pun]

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    The most important thing is that the skins are nearly wall-to-wall underfoot. They shouldn't cover the edge plus a mm or two on either side so you can still use your edges with the skins on.

    Having them full width towards the tip and tail of your ski is a luxury IMO - it may help a bit but it doesn't make a big difference. My lightweight set-up has skis with 82mm underfoot and 80mm skins. This works pretty nicely

    If you have some skins which are too narrow for your skis, you can just cut a slit in them lengthways from about 10inches from the tip to 10 inches from the tail. You can then pull the slit open (as it were) so you have a strip near the edges underfoot. I tried this out this year and it works surprisingly well
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    Quote Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
    If you go "conventional" width, be sure use a G3 trim tool. Shown here:

    http://www.genuineguidegear.com/telemark_skin_sa.html

    Even if you do not get G3 skins (which come with one), get one of these - I assume they work fine on BDs. No time wasted screwing around with sticky, sloppy plus and minus 2mm shuffles. Put the skin on how you want it, 5 seconds of pulling down a side & you are done with a perfect trim...
    That's a cool looking tool. Although for the number of times I trim skins, the old way works fine.

    G3 tool:

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    I like using straight skins. They fold back in half and cover the entire sticky surface without the need for the skin savers. I use them at 2mm or so short of waist width of ski.
    I just fold them in half, stuff in my jacket while everyone else is putting skin savers on their skins in the wind. I've never had a problem going up the same steep stuff that the wall-to-wall skinned skiers ascend.

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    Just to add, the G3 trimming tool is the shit.
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