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  1. #751
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    $100 is what I was thinking


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    Aha.
    That’s a little lower than I was hoping. But that’s cool.
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  3. #753
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    Looking for some fit advice for my wife. She measures 24.5-25 (w's 8.5 shoe), but has a very low volume foot, so we moved her into a 23.5 Lange xt90lv. The toe box had to be punched for length and height to get just enough room for her toes. She has footbed heaters, a 1/4" foam laminated to the boot board and 5mm neoprene laminated to the tongue, plus a pair of ankle pads on both feet. The ankle pads keep her heel in place, but also cause additional pressure that she's not stoked about.

    Would a Dreamliner HV or Luxury HV be adequate or overkill to take up the excess space around the foot and lock the heel down without causing excess pressure points? Sizing is odd in this case because her fit is certainly a "performance" fit in terms of length. Intuition says to round down on the Dreamliner and round-up on the Luxury.

    I'll try to get a scan of her foot tonight with gregL's new foot scan app, maybe that will help diagnose the issues we're having.
    Would consider pro wrap. Great ankle and heel hold but more room in toe box. I love mine. Iím performance fit and lost 3mm in toe box. No punching with these. Intuition has a question form you can fill out. They helped me a lot.


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  4. #754
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    recently got some pro tour MVs on a bootfitter's recommendation.
    originally went in some s/max 130 carbons for all day comfort, but the ankle hold was basically non-existent. ended up putting some old power wraps in and they're awesome now.

    still wondering what to do with these pro tours. my bootfitter is awesome and is always willing to take back stuff that doesn't work, but wondering if i should throw them in my zero gs.

    is that ankle hold thing just how pro tours are? was the MV just not enough volume for the s/max 130s? what do y'all think?

  5. #755
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    I think anything from intuition will be better than the stock liner in the zero-g's

  6. #756
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenBC View Post
    If you have a really tight shell fit, use a minimal toe cap to get the bulk of the molding done. After molding, heat the toe with a heat gun and resold with a bigger toe cap to get more toe room. Don’t try and squeeze too much in at once.
    First off this is one of the most helpful threads on TGR, so thank you for all who have contributed.

    I need some advice in regards to toe box. I did some oven baking on pro tours that came out great besides one toe box on my left foot, which is slightly longer, with a bigger (rounder) heel than my right foot. Did some skiing in single digit temps yesterday and I was able to wiggle my right toes but on my left there wasn't a ton of mobility. My question is, how can I fix it?

    Re-bake? Heat gun just the toe (as per Golden above?) Wait to break them in? Am I just effed? For reference I did use the fit kit.

  7. #757
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    Quote Originally Posted by sweatypowderpig View Post
    recently got some pro tour MVs on a bootfitter's recommendation.
    originally went in some s/max 130 carbons for all day comfort, but the ankle hold was basically non-existent. ended up putting some old power wraps in and they're awesome now.

    still wondering what to do with these pro tours. my bootfitter is awesome and is always willing to take back stuff that doesn't work, but wondering if i should throw them in my zero gs.

    is that ankle hold thing just how pro tours are? was the MV just not enough volume for the s/max 130s? what do y'all think?
    I really disliked the pro tour. Have tour wraps in my zero gís.

    Iíd just return them if you can.

  8. #758
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    Price drop, $100 for the 24 liners...
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    So... I had my first failed molding yesterday. 28 powerwrap in a 1st gen 27.5 Lupo. The 28 powerwrap has just too much volume for the 27.5 Lupo plus my foot. I tried to force it but ended up not being able to buckle the boot. Intuitions website says to size up for 0.5's on the powerwrap. The original Lupo liner is an intuition and labeled at 27.5L and looks like a Pro Wrap. My molded/skied 27.5L is the same length as the 28 powerwrap.

    - Go to a Plug Liner is a 28? (size up per intuitions site)
    - Go to a Pro Wrap in a 27? (size down per intuitions site)

    - I use a superfeet green footbed. Pro Wrap is designed to be used with a footbed.

    edit to add - This is my 4th time molding intuitions. So I believe my methods are OK.
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    Scarpa rebranded Intuition Pro Wrap 27.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    So... I had my first failed molding yesterday. 28 powerwrap in a 1st gen 27.5 Lupo. The 28 powerwrap has just too much volume for the 27.5 Lupo plus my foot. I tried to force it but ended up not being able to buckle the boot. Intuitions website says to size up for 0.5's on the powerwrap. The original Lupo liner is an intuition and labeled at 27.5L and looks like a Pro Wrap. My molded/skied 27.5L is the same length as the 28 powerwrap.

    - Go to a Plug Liner is a 28? (size up per intuitions site)
    - Go to a Pro Wrap in a 27? (size down per intuitions site)

    - I use a superfeet green footbed. Pro Wrap is designed to be used with a footbed.

    edit to add - This is my 4th time molding intuitions. So I believe my methods are OK.
    I wish intuition would change this on their site.

    You should have used a 27 unless your shell fit is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    So... I had my first failed molding yesterday. 28 powerwrap in a 1st gen 27.5 Lupo.

    edit to add - This is my 4th time molding intuitions. So I believe my methods are OK.
    Assuming the BSL of that Lupo is 317? Speaking from loads of experience home molding these things and someone who tries to cram as much foam as possible in my boot and then compress it during molding you really should be fine with the PW in a 28 in that shell.

    For reference I use a 27 PW+ in a 26 Full Tilt original shell. Molding it was a pain compared to a 26PW, 26 Alpine HD and the stock 26 pro (haha, pro) wrap. Bear in mind the FT original shell is very low volume. And yeah, I get that everyone's anatomy varies greatly. My feet are low volume, high instep; high arch otherwise skinny perfection and both within 1mm of each other 273mm measure length and about 10mm shell fit (hard to get that accurate).

    The PW+ cuff is massive. I had to move my buckles (actually cables) to the slackest anchor so I could close them and it was a huge pain trying to get them done up. I thought for sure I was going to break something but got them closed. But once buckled and booster cinched I could then do them up a bit tighter and the end result is truly extraordinary compared to the PW or Alpine HD's I'd used in these in the past. It's like an all encompassing cast of control. I still have one little issue but that's besides the point.

    You're getting these things truly like a marshmallow before sticking them in the boot? A 27 will be shorter and that's all. The cuff is the same so doing up your boot will be no different with the smaller liner.

    Stupid question, but you've got your upper buckles set in the widest anchor? If not, move them to that for the molding process and remold. It's worth it. Once molded you'll do them up tighter in use anyway. At least that's the way it always works out for me.

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    Yeah thanks - Iíll move the buckles and give them one more college try... the liner has already been baked and jammed once so itís not like Iím returning it or selling it for any real value.


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  14. #764
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlimFlamvanHam View Post
    I use a 27 PW+ in a 26 Full Tilt original shell.

    The PW+ cuff is massive. I had to move my buckles (actually cables) to the slackest anchor so I could close them and it was a huge pain trying to get them done up.
    Fwiw this was my experience as well doing a 28 PW+ in a 27 ft shell, and a 27 PW in a 26 Cochise. All my buckles, cables, etc were as relaxed as possible to even get things started.

    The fit now is unreal. Like the skis are extensions of my leg.

    First day on both boots I had to call it early because the pain was too much, and it probably took a few hours to get comfortable in shoes. now on day 3 I'm almost to the point where I can ride most of the day without too many adjustments, and there's no lingering pain after I taken them off.



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  15. #765
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    I had a similar experiance with a PW in a mercury that Intuition chose and fitted, I was on the last ladder & pretty tight so that when i went to a Vulcan 3 yrs later the liner had to be refitted cuz the shell is just a hair less volume but 7 years later no real pack-out that liner is still good to go
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  16. #766
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I wish intuition would change this on their site.

    You should have used a 27 unless your shell fit is huge.
    I totally agree with the first sentence as it creates more questions and second guessing than is necessary.

    As far as I'm concerned, sizing down is dumb. I would simply size based on your foot size and not the shell, thus most would be size up relative to shell size.

    And unless you get a HV liner, the foam is the same thickness. Sure putting a hot 27 on my 27 foot is better than stretching a 26 that extra 10mm, but the end result differs very little. But I'd say the 27 is more ideal since you're not stretching the foam

    Intuition is on point for sure, but I think everyone on this site who has done their research and is likely sized in a tighter performance fit, would not have Intuition's general advice apply to them.

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